Treesinger Druid or Leshy Warden Druid? Which is better?

[Danzibe1989]

Just a simple question to those here, I'm debating on one or the other at the moment to myself but wanted to ask those around what their opinions might be between the two.

[DeathlessOne]

Do you want an plant companion (or a domain) and no delay in access to Wildshape (plant)? Or do you want a familiar (Plant domain included) AND delayed access to Wildshape (Plant) but one that progresses FASTER than the Treesinger?

As far as I am concerned, the two archetypes are on equal footing with all their abilities and it just comes down to what is more useful to you and your party. For me, I'd opt for the Treesinger and pick up a plant companion. You can always pick up familiars elsewhere if you really want one.

[Cavall]

Well having a Groot as a companion is pretty dope.

The idea of gaining a familiar AND a domain is great too.

So point for each.

The rest is pretty much a match. Diplomacy to plants and some wildshaping.

If you could (I haven't checked) making your leshy into a mauler type, then beefing it up as you level with both a mauler boosts and class boosts for a bit of a brute !

I'd say leshy then?

[DeathlessOne]

Cavall wrote:

If you could (I haven't checked) making your leshy into a mauler type, then beefing it up as you level with both a mauler boosts and class boosts for a bit of a brute !

You can, though you are always limited by the HP of said familiar. The Protector archetype eventually gets HP EQUAL to your own (At 11th level). I tend to use Protector familiars as HP batteries for myself and my companion creatures when I play a Druid.

[Danzibe1989]

The character is lvl 6, so it would have access to Plant Shape from the start, however the Treesinger would have delayed abilities until 8th where as Leshy Warden gets it up front. From my understanding though Leshy Warden can't turn into Tiny plants from how it reads.

Treesinger is excellent for crowd control I've found via the Vine companion and various Entangle spells. Its Plant Shapes that you can turn into would be better suited for Grapples and holding down opponents for your betters to trash and destroy until you reach the ability to become the various types of Tree (because 60 ft reach is HILARIOUS with tree root attacks)

Leshy Warden can do the same thing but gets it faster, by a level or two and have a not so fantastic Familiar at your side (Unless you upgrade it I guess *shrugs*). I think I might lean toward the Treesinger more due to this, but wanted to get opinions.

Edit: Just saw the info on Protector. Given how easy it is to replace a Leshy Familiar, I can see how this would be pretty good as a protector, but I've also had a tendency to play by a creed: If you're supporting and the enemy gets to you, your front line isn't doing its job.

[Merm7th]

Look at the supernaturalist druid. They also get patent companion.

[Decimus Drake]

Could you take Leshy Warden for the leshy familiar and plant domain, and then take the Animal Ally to get an animal companion with the Verdant Companion archetype to keep with the botanical theme?

[Danzibe1989]

thats a possibility yeah