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I can agree with that, I looked at the Occult playtest and was just unable to compartmentalize all these new terms, each of the classes seemed incredibly wordy. I just accepted that if anyone came with a play-test occult to my table I'd just trust they spent the time to understand their character and I'd just blindly accept what they said.
Now that Occult adventures is out, I bought it to try and give it a second shot at understanding it to still no avail. This game has gotten to the point where my only option is to trust the player and trust that they understand their character and options because I can't be familiar with every class anymore.
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Yeah, trust the player is about all you can do.
The thing is, all the time, I see players getting stuff wrong about the rules in places where I do actually know the rules. It's implausible to me that they're getting it right in the places where I don't really know the rules. And, part of the duty of the GM is as rules adjudicator. (Some previous games used the term "referee", and that term shows up a lot in Gygax's writing in AD&D/1e.) I no longer feel completely competent to perform that role....
The solution is just not to worry about it too much, and accept that the players know what they're doing, even when they seem to be overpowered and ROFLstomping things in ways that just strike you as wrong.
(Or to go play FATE or something entirely different.)
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It makes peri-blooded aasimars even more powerful, as they are the only race I know of that gets +2 Int and +2 Cha.
Also, no negatives.
Fortunately, they all mysteriously keeled over and died of old age recently.
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Wouldn't this thinly disguised rant thread be better in PF General Discussion?
I think it's ok. Rules (especially badly edited, broken ones) sometimes change, and necessitate a change to a character. It's an unfortunate event, and I can understand the desire to leave a memento mori.
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I can agree with that, I looked at the Occult playtest and was just unable to compartmentalize all these new terms, each of the classes seemed incredibly wordy. I just accepted that if anyone came with a play-test occult to my table I'd just trust they spent the time to understand their character and I'd just blindly accept what they said.
Now that Occult adventures is out, I bought it to try and give it a second shot at understanding it to still no avail. This game has gotten to the point where my only option is to trust the player and trust that they understand their character and options because I can't be familiar with every class anymore.
Amen. I took one look at the play test and said, "NOPE!" Of course, I've never seen anyone actually play one of those classes, so that's saying something, too.
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Wouldn't this thinly disguised rant thread be better in PF General Discussion?I think it's ok. Rules (especially badly edited, broken ones) sometimes change, and necessitate a change to a character. It's an unfortunate event, and I can understand the desire to leave a memento mori.
I admit it, that was a knee jerk response. It's just that PF General has become a kind of rant central about rules. A lot of negativity that PFS could do without. Nothing wrong with leaving an epitaph though.
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Yeah, trust the player is about all you can do.
The thing is, all the time, I see players getting stuff wrong about the rules in places where I do actually know the rules. It's implausible to me that they're getting it right in the places where I don't really know the rules. And, part of the duty of the GM is as rules adjudicator. (Some previous games used the term "referee", and that term shows up a lot in Gygax's writing in AD&D/1e.) I no longer feel completely competent to perform that role....
The solution is just not to worry about it too much, and accept that the players know what they're doing, even when they seem to be overpowered and ROFLstomping things in ways that just strike you as wrong.
(Or to go play FATE or something entirely different.)
That expanse of optiosn is why Core is popular even among some experienced players/GM (if only we could have Core with Ultimate Equipment - just kidding, sort of)
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I can agree with that, I looked at the Occult playtest and was just unable to compartmentalize all these new terms, each of the classes seemed incredibly wordy. I just accepted that if anyone came with a play-test occult to my table I'd just trust they spent the time to understand their character and I'd just blindly accept what they said.
Now that Occult adventures is out, I bought it to try and give it a second shot at understanding it to still no avail. This game has gotten to the point where my only option is to trust the player and trust that they understand their character and options because I can't be familiar with every class anymore.
Yep. Completely in the same boat with you. This is what happens when you dump SIXTEEN (lol sixteen) new base classes into the game in a 12 month period. It's become a "gotta take your word for it" experience.
Core didn't really take off locally when it was announced, but with Occult hitting live now there's some of us who are going to make a push for it.
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As far as I'm concerned, the more well-designed and well-written classes, archetypes, and options they come out with, the better. No exceptions.
Paizo is doing a really great job churning out new material, and aside from some of the nerfs (I still support most of the nerfs), they're really doing an amazing job.
