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Tongues has been a lot of fun to roleplay. I actually switch into another language while playing my character (no one in my gaming circle speaks Ukrainian) and I have had some very frustrating experiences of not being able to communicate during combat.
I'm not going to be very helpful in this discussion because I enjoy the damaging aspect of the oracle curses. They're suppose to be flavorful detriments that ease as you level up.
...always made me wonder if you could countersong danced based performances...counterdance?
Obviously this would be challenging the other bard to a dance-off.
Hmm... Well...
I thought tongues would be a nothing. Everyone just had to put a single skill point in linguistics to learn celestial and it would have no effect. Plus then we could make plans out loud during combat and the opposition couldn't usually understand. However, no one else (except the alchemist) was willing to put a single skill point into linguistics until about level 10.
Then I thought haunted would be ok. But then I kept finding the need to get out this scroll, wand, rod, whatever during combat and couldn't get to it fast enough.
You can 'learn' new languages without the linguistics skill as well, just takes time (20 days). You can learn 1+INT languages in this way, learned from either a book on the language, or someone who knows it and shares a language with you (like the oracle, in this case).
You can 'learn' new languages without the linguistics skill as well, just takes time (20 days). You can learn 1+INT languages in this way, learned from either a book on the language, or someone who knows it and shares a language with you (like the oracle, in this case).Hmm... Well...
I thought tongues would be a nothing. Everyone just had to put a single skill point in linguistics to learn celestial and it would have no effect. Plus then we could make plans out loud during combat and the opposition couldn't usually understand. However, no one else (except the alchemist) was willing to put a single skill point into linguistics until about level 10.
Then I thought haunted would be ok. But then I kept finding the need to get out this scroll, wand, rod, whatever during combat and couldn't get to it fast enough.
Eh? First I've heard of this. Do you have a source?
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Eh? First I've heard of this. Do you have a source?You can 'learn' new languages without the linguistics skill as well, just takes time (20 days). You can learn 1+INT languages in this way, learned from either a book on the language, or someone who knows it and shares a language with you (like the oracle, in this case).Hmm... Well...
I thought tongues would be a nothing. Everyone just had to put a single skill point in linguistics to learn celestial and it would have no effect. Plus then we could make plans out loud during combat and the opposition couldn't usually understand. However, no one else (except the alchemist) was willing to put a single skill point into linguistics until about level 10.
Then I thought haunted would be ok. But then I kept finding the need to get out this scroll, wand, rod, whatever during combat and couldn't get to it fast enough.
I believe it's part of Ultimate Campaign's retraining rules. ^_^
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I believe it's part of Ultimate Campaign's retraining rules. ^_^Eh? First I've heard of this. Do you have a source?You can 'learn' new languages without the linguistics skill as well, just takes time (20 days). You can learn 1+INT languages in this way, learned from either a book on the language, or someone who knows it and shares a language with you (like the oracle, in this case).Hmm... Well...
I thought tongues would be a nothing. Everyone just had to put a single skill point in linguistics to learn celestial and it would have no effect. Plus then we could make plans out loud during combat and the opposition couldn't usually understand. However, no one else (except the alchemist) was willing to put a single skill point into linguistics until about level 10.
Then I thought haunted would be ok. But then I kept finding the need to get out this scroll, wand, rod, whatever during combat and couldn't get to it fast enough.
That is correct: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/more-character-options/retrai ning#TOC-New-Language
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IME, Haunted can be easily worked around most of the time with a little planning and reliance on your own spells rather than items.
However, if you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to keep pulling various things from your belt/pack, like wands or potions or scrolls, you are f$&%ed - it's one of the reasons we wiped on the final battle of RHoD since I was able to only act once every two rounds.Wands can go in a sheath, Potions on a bandoleer, and scrolls in a scroll case. All would be accessible under a haunted curse. It's only when you need to access your pack that that you are screwed.
You really just need proper equipment.
Actually, unless you're drawing a weapon or weapon-like object (or an item from a spring-loaded wrist sheath), haunted changes the action to at least a standard action. The curse affects the "retrieve a stored item" action, which is a move action and includes manipulating bandoleers, scroll cases, and other containers. There's an FAQ that states that the "draw or sheath a weapon" action is exempt from the effects of the curse, but it does not exclude any other types of move actions.
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Wands at least can be stored in a wrist sheath, and thus drawn as a move action or swift action for a spring-loaded one. You have a point on bandoleers, as they specifically use the "retrieve a stored item" action. However, scroll cases and scroll boxes have a specific move action, and do not use the "retrieve a stored item" action. Thus, the curse would not affect them.
I would go tongues. You do not get a lot but the hindrance is minimal. Even non existent if most of the people in your party know the languages you use.
In it slightly more hampering if your GM randomizes the language you use each time the curse activates like ours did but still not that hard.
...always made me wonder if you could countersong danced based performances...counterdance?Obviously this would be challenging the other bard to a dance-off.
I'd make a comment, but I've run far too many dark dancers against my party. Who've also commented on the fact that the guy is putting down the moves hard enough to add 2 damage to everything that hits them....always made me wonder if you could countersong danced based performances...
counterdanceDance-off?Still, in general deaf doesn't hurt too much, except in social environments and the like. You don't hear noises, you can't hear sounds.
A kind DM might allow you to make constant linguistics or perception checks to read people's lips though.
don't you dare steal my joke again
I played a Haunted Oracle, and found the curse to be much more interesting than it was damaging. Being pestered by spirits did more to annoy than actually harm her, and it made for some funny moments and unique character backstory.
Hmm... Well...
I thought tongues would be a nothing. Everyone just had to put a single skill point in linguistics to learn celestial and it would have no effect. Plus then we could make plans out loud during combat and the opposition couldn't usually understand. However, no one else (except the alchemist) was willing to put a single skill point into linguistics until about level 10.
When a class only gets 2 skill points per level, you're actually asking a lot, especially if the character has a plan for feats that require a certain number of skill ranks in different skills. For example, if I want to get Monkey Style and Monkey Shine as soon as possible, I won't have a single skill point to spare until level 9--and that still leaves me with no ranks in Perception at all.
Then I thought haunted would be ok. But then I kept finding the need to get out this scroll, wand, rod, whatever during combat and couldn't get to it fast enough.
Maybe your GM thinks that Oracle curses should carry some kind of a disadvantage?
(I ran a haunted flame oracle. In addition to the normal effects, out of combat, random fires would occasionally start near her. Thank goodness for Create Water!)
Wrecker curse isn't that bad, but the 10th level ability has a typo.
Objects don't have DR, did they mean hardness?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/oracle-curses
tbeartech is correct. The "retrieve a stored item" action always takes a standard action or longer, full stop, do not pass Quick Draw, do not collect 200 gp. This cannot be circumvented. Other methods of retrieving your gear may work so long as they don't involve that specific action--say, completing an apport object spell to receive something from your pack.
Tongues has been a lot of fun to roleplay. I actually switch into another language while playing my character (no one in my gaming circle speaks Ukrainian) and I have had some very frustrating experiences of not being able to communicate during combat.
I'm not going to be very helpful in this discussion because I enjoy the damaging aspect of the oracle curses. They're suppose to be flavorful detriments that ease as you level up.
What is your toungue's language you use Ukrainian to represent? Just curious