Sword and Board Two Weapon Fighting: Why Do all the late feats come at the same level?

[Koshimo]

As the title suggests I am currently playing a Sword and Board Fighter in one of my games we just hit level 6 and I was looking to plan out my feats for the rest of the game, and noticed 4 different feats all come online at level 11

Shield Master, Bashing Finish, Greater Two Weapon Fighting, and Two Weapon Rend

So how do you handle that? do you retrain earlier feats to get more of them at level 11? do you prioritize some over others?

Curious to hear others opinions so let me know

[Dekalinder]

You can't retrain to get them, your new choice when retraining must be valid for the level you did them the first time. You simply have to make priorities and take them one at a time. Shield master is obviusly the better one in there. Bashing finish is pretty good, Rend is OK, GTW is kinda meh but still worth it.

[Orfamay Quest]

Basically, the Pathfinder game is designed roughly around level tiers, so there are a lot of classes that get several new options that open up at the same time. This creates more customizability as not everyone will be locked into the same development progression.

So pick what is most important to the character as you envision it.

[Koshimo]

Dekalinder wrote:

You can't retrain to get them, your new choice when retraining must be valid for the level you did them the first time. You simply have to make priorities and take them one at a time. Shield master is obviusly the better one in there. Bashing finish is pretty good, Rend is OK, GTW is kinda meh but still worth it.

Thats not what it reads at all you need to qualify for the feat at the level you currently are not what you were when taking said feat.

thats why a barbarian/alchemist/rogue/slayer etc can take "improved init" at first level and retrain it to take extra "class feature" at second

[Samasboy1]

Dekalinder wrote:

You can't retrain to get them, your new choice when retraining must be valid for the level you did them the first time. You simply have to make priorities and take them one at a time. Shield master is obviusly the better one in there. Bashing finish is pretty good, Rend is OK, GTW is kinda meh but still worth it.

This is wrong. There is a FAQ that states when you retrain you only must currently meet the requirements.

The example is a Rogue retraining Improved Initiative taken at 1st level to Weapon Focus (requires BAB +1) at 3rd level.

[Dekalinder]

You are right. Must be a case of selective memory, since I now remember having read that FAQ but never liked it.

[kestral287]

Prioritize the ones you want.

If you do have open feats at lower levels then by all means, upgrade, but that should be a rarity in its own right.

[Imbicatus]

Play a ranger or slayer, and get the desired feat at 6th level ignoring prerequisites.

[Koshimo]

right now personally i have improved init and possibly shield focus to retrain, as well as having no idea what i am taking from lvl 7 -10 although i do need to get improved twf (which i dont qualify for yet need 1 more dex) and weapon specialization probably in those 4 feats

[Gregory Connolly]

It is expensive to retrain your character feats, but you can use your fighter class feature to retrain one of the bonus feats at 4th, 8th, 12th, etc as long as it isn't used as a prerequisite.

Greater Two Weapon Fighting isn't that good anyway (the extra attack is at -10)

So that leaves you to pick up one at 11th and the other two at 12th.

These feats are competing with things like Bleeding Critical and Greater Weapon Specialization so consider them carefully.

[Gwen Smith]

Gregory Connolly wrote:

It is expensive to retrain your character feats, but you can use your fighter class feature to retrain one of the bonus feats at 4th, 8th, 12th, etc as long as it isn't used as a prerequisite.

Greater Two Weapon Fighting isn't that good anyway (the extra attack is at -10)

So that leaves you to pick up one at 11th and the other two at 12th.

These feats are competing with things like Bleeding Critical and Greater Weapon Specialization so consider them carefully.

You can also use the Manual of War to change out a bonus feat each day.

[Bandw2]

Dekalinder wrote:

You can't retrain to get them, your new choice when retraining must be valid for the level you did them the first time. You simply have to make priorities and take them one at a time. Shield master is obviusly the better one in there. Bashing finish is pretty good, Rend is OK, GTW is kinda meh but still worth it.

as was mentioned this is wrong, but it's balanced due to a lot of these feats have long feat chains anyway.

[Koshimo]

Gwen Smith wrote:

Gregory Connolly wrote:

It is expensive to retrain your character feats, but you can use your fighter class feature to retrain one of the bonus feats at 4th, 8th, 12th, etc as long as it isn't used as a prerequisite.

Greater Two Weapon Fighting isn't that good anyway (the extra attack is at -10)

So that leaves you to pick up one at 11th and the other two at 12th.

These feats are competing with things like Bleeding Critical and Greater Weapon Specialization so consider them carefully.

You can also use the Manual of War to change out a bonus feat each day.

I hate that item so much. if it was permanent essentially you are paying more upfront for retraining capabilities and it would be worth it but that it changes back is dumb because you cant take the rest of the feat chain with that feat

[Guru-Meditation]

prioritize.