ring of rat fangs


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Is the ring of rat fangs PFS legal?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Greetings! Welcome to Pathfinder Society.

The first step in determining if something is legal is normally to consult the Additional Resources page.

Do you know which book and page # this item is found on?

5/5 5/55/55/5

Step 1: Google Archives of nethys Item i dunno is legal

Ring of rat fangs

That funny white X next to the name is the glyph of the open road, symbol of the pathfinder society, meaning its pfs legal.

Archives of nethys is good, but if you want to double check it that page tells you it comes out of ultimate equipment on page 172.

If you go to the page Nefreet linked and ctrl f "ultimate equipment" and click next a time or two you see ultimate equipment.

All rings on pages 166-177 are legal for play.

So you're good.


According to the SRD the ring is from the Advanced Race Guide. Anything from Chapter 4 of that book is not legal, and the availability of the ring is how I was going to decide whether or not to purchase the book.
Since I don't own tthe book I can't check if the ring is in chapter 4.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

I highly recommend avoiding d20pfsrd with regards to PFS. This is one of many reasons.

Archivesofnethys is much more PFS-friendly. The owner of Archives plays PFS, the owner of d20 does not.

EDIT: although, as evidenced by BNW's link, neither is infallible. I highly doubt that item appears on page 1 of the ARG.

5/5 5/55/55/5

I think "page 1" is a placeholder when they haven't updated it.

Its definitely in ultimate equipment in chapter 4. You're good.

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 *** Venture-Captain, Netherlands

Nefreet wrote:

I highly recommend avoiding d20pfsrd with regards to PFS. This is one of many reasons.

Archivesofnethys is much more PFS-friendly. The owner of Archives plays PFS, the owner of d20 does not.

EDIT: although, as evidenced by BNW's link, neither is infallible. I highly doubt that item appears on page 1 of the ARG.

But this is where it gets confusing for new players I think: Its also listed in the ARG, (just not on page 1), but under the ratfolk entry. And the additional recourses state everything there is not legal (unless you're a ratfolk).

1/5

It's on a page of Ultimate Equipment marked as legal in the additional resources so it is legal assuming you own the book.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/55/5 **

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Yeah there a bunch of magic items in the race guide that are not legal but were reprinted in the equipment book that are legal.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Steven Lau wrote:
Yeah there a bunch of magic items in the race guide that are not legal but were reprinted in the equipment book that are legal.

I think the OP wanted to buy the source that doesn't have it as legal, and doesn't want to buy the source that has it as legal.

Interesting quandary.

Scarab Sages 4/5

This thread reminds me, I may need to pick up one of those for my natural attack focused Investigator. He's usually alter selfed and eventually monstrous physiqued into something with a bite anyway, but it wouldn't hurt to have a natural attack when he's in gnome form.

Shadow Lodge

Nefreet wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
Yeah there a bunch of magic items in the race guide that are not legal but were reprinted in the equipment book that are legal.

I think the OP wanted to buy the source that doesn't have it as legal, and doesn't want to buy the source that has it as legal.

Interesting quandary.

Sadly, even if the two are word for word 100% identical between the two sources, you have to use the source that it's legal under to gain access to it.

So in this case, unless you're playing a ratfolk character, you need UE to get access to this item, and the ARG will not suffice.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

James Wygle wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
Yeah there a bunch of magic items in the race guide that are not legal but were reprinted in the equipment book that are legal.

I think the OP wanted to buy the source that doesn't have it as legal, and doesn't want to buy the source that has it as legal.

Interesting quandary.

Sadly, even if the two are word for word 100% identical between the two sources, you have to use the source that it's legal under to gain access to it.

So in this case, unless you're playing a ratfolk character, you need UE to get access to this item, and the ARG will not suffice.

Hence my post =\

Shadow Lodge 3/5

James Wygle wrote:

Sadly, even if the two are word for word 100% identical between the two sources, you have to use the source that it's legal under to gain access to it.

So in this case, unless you're playing a ratfolk character, you need UE to get access to this item, and the ARG will not suffice.

That seems like a pretty strange ruling if the player and the GM know that the text is identical between the two rulebooks (granted, the GM might not know).

It's clearly an oversight on Additional Resources that should be fixed.

Scarab Sages 2/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:

I think "page 1" is a placeholder when they haven't updated it.

Its definitely in ultimate equipment in chapter 4. You're good.

Exactly this. Copying from the PRD was easier than PDFs, but I wasn't able to log page numbers while doing this (without following along in the PDFs, which was a nuisance at the time). I do plan on going back and fixing all those page 1's someday :)

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/55/5 **

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Actually I think the Ring of Rat fangs is legal from the Advanced Race Guide.

Here is why:

Additional Resources Advanced Race Guide wrote:
Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed).

Now this does not open every Racial equipment and magic items because some of them are not legal at all, but it so happens that the Ratfolk racial equipment and magic items are legal

Additional Resources Advanced Race Guide wrote:
Ratfolk: all alternate racial traits, favored class options, racial archetypes, racial discoveries, equipment, feats, magic items, and spells are legal for play.

The Boon Restriction just limits you to actually making a PC of that race and get the Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Except...

The contradictory bit wrote:
In Chapter 2, nothing from the catfolk, drow, hobgoblins, kobolds, orcs, and ratfolk entries are currently legal for play.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/55/5 **

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Nefreet wrote:

Except...

The contradictory bit wrote:
In Chapter 2, nothing from the catfolk, drow, hobgoblins, kobolds, orcs, and ratfolk entries are currently legal for play.

Which is a Typo, Ratfolk actual of Legal options as pointed out. Every Chapter starts with what Races and their options are not legal, they leave out of that list races that have legal options, they just forgot to remove Ratfolk when they added the legal options for them once a Boon was made for them.

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