If wands are hard to come by, maybe mage armor. True strike might be situationally useful, likewise vanish. Maybe protection from evil.
Though I wonder why you're doing this multiclass at all if you didn't have some spells you particularly wanted?
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If wands are hard to come by, maybe mage armor. True strike might be situationally useful, likewise vanish. Maybe protection from evil.
Though I wonder why you're doing this multiclass at all if you didn't have some spells you particularly wanted?
I do have spell(s) picked out. I particularly want Enlarge Person.
Why would you dip?
Mage armor and shield would be my picks.
But you will get animal growth at level 9 and from then enlarge person will be a wasted level.
But the Sylvan sorcerer does provide an animal companion, so I don't know what part of Share Spells isn't being fulfilled.
it will work fine but i cannot see a good level to do the dip.
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But the Sylvan sorcerer does provide an animal companion, so I don't know what part of Share Spells isn't being fulfilled.I keep forgetting about that particular variant. So yes it's technically doable... Not sure it's worth slowing your shamanic progression over it though. Also keep in mind that casting that spell is subject to Arcane Spell Failure rules unless you're going to give up wearing armor as well.
Yeah, I already know all of that. I'm just looking for ideas.
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Shock shield would be a little more useful on an AC than most caster, considering the high reflex save and evasion. But you might have to convince the GM that an animal can willingly end a spell. Stunning Barrier might actually be the better spell for that sort of thing. Maybe Long Arm to extend reach out ever farther than Enlarge Person.
Honestly, I think you've already got the good picks in Enlarge Person and Shield/Mage Armor. Mage Armor more for your druid than the AC. I can't tell you the amount of times I would have loved to have mage armor so I could keep the armor bonus while switching animal forms, to say nothing of having to change back into human form to take off the barding that doesn't fit the new form.
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Ugh, does no one think of retraining?
Me, personally, I love doing a martial level or two, adding a level of a full-casting class, then when it's time to prestige or when casting starts to look better than the martial attacks, pay to train those levels out in favor of your casting class.
A Sylvan Sorcerer 1/ Druid 4 isn't bad at all, and when you get to the point that it isn't worth it, you train Sylvan Sorcerer away (after creating any magic items you need your Sorc levels for).
Well, not every GM allows retraining, but for PFS or any GM that does allow it, I 100% agree. I personally like the dip into Sorcerer/wizard to activate wands, then when UMD is high enough, retrain out of the casting class.
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Going to join in on the people saying that the Sylvan sorcerer dip is really not worth it. Just wait for animal growth. Half the time you'll be wishing your animal companion was smaller as well.
You're missing the point. (as are the rest of you saying this). I couldn't care less about class progression. Any advice saying "isn't worth it" is simply unfounded because you have no basis of comparison for what I'm planning. (also Smaller = Reduce Person).
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Well, not every GM allows retraining, but for PFS or any GM that does allow it, I 100% agree. I personally like the dip into Sorcerer/wizard to activate wands, then when UMD is high enough, retrain out of the casting class.Ugh, does no one think of retraining?
Me, personally, I love doing a martial level or two, adding a level of a full-casting class, then when it's time to prestige or when casting starts to look better than the martial attacks, pay to train those levels out in favor of your casting class.
A Sylvan Sorcerer 1/ Druid 4 isn't bad at all, and when you get to the point that it isn't worth it, you train Sylvan Sorcerer away (after creating any magic items you need your Sorc levels for).
PFS tacks on a Prestige Point cost on top of regular retraining costs equal to one prestige point per day spent retraining. Retraining a feat would cost 5 prestige points, while retraining a class level would cost 7 prestige. That's quite expensive.
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Let's change thoughts slightly. What about this. Instead of druid let's assume hunter (so no access to goliath druid). What about taking Magical Lineage (Enlarge Person) and Still Spell so that I can freely cast it in whatever armor I choose (still assuming one level of sorcerer). With a hunter I'll never get to a high enough level to get animal growth.
Let's change thoughts slightly. What about this. Instead of druid let's assume hunter (so no access to goliath druid). What about taking Magical Lineage (Enlarge Person) and Still Spell so that I can freely cast it in whatever armor I choose (still assuming one level of sorcerer). With a hunter I'll never get to a high enough level to get animal growth.
Hunters get animal growth only one level after druids, because it is a ranger 4 Spell.
Divine hunter get a domain with domain spells as spells known, growth will give you enlarge person.You already know about the collar.
I assume the reason you want to grow your AC is to get reach since Many other things will be worse with enlarge person? If it is reach that is the Dream. Evolved companion will allow you to get it on the best attack.
Enlarge person transform the AC in to a soft target and should only be used when you have Lots of resources to keep it alive.
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Hunter doesn't have access to Enlarge Person as it's not on the Druid or Ranger lists. You could go Hunter with a one level dip of Goliath Druid to add it to your Druid list, but that's it.
Right, which is why I'm still asking about dipping sorc..
Let's change thoughts slightly. What about this. Instead of druid let's assume hunter (so no access to goliath druid). What about taking Magical Lineage (Enlarge Person) and Still Spell so that I can freely cast it in whatever armor I choose (still assuming one level of sorcerer). With a hunter I'll never get to a high enough level to get animal growth.Hunters get animal growth only one level after druids, because it is a ranger 4 Spell.
Divine hunter get a domain with domain spells as spells known, growth will give you enlarge person.
You already know about the collar.
I assume the reason you want to grow your AC is to get reach since Many other things will be worse with enlarge person? If it is reach that is the Dream. Evolved companion will allow you to get it on the best attack.
Enlarge person transform the AC in to a soft target and should only be used when you have Lots of resources to keep it alive.
Definitely a good suggestion but I'm not willing to give up teamwork feats and hunter tactics as that's the only reason I'm a hunter. I didn't think to look for it on the ranger spell list.
at what level do you want the PET to be large?
If reach is not the Holy grail you were looking fore?
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at what level do you want the PET to be large?
If reach is not the Holy grail you were looking fore?
Basically I'm going 3 levels into hunter to get teamwork feats onto my pet. And cherry picking a ton of other stuff.
So things like cav 1 for tactician (free teamwork feat). 2 levels of warrior for bonus combat feats. 2 levels of monk sohei for bonus mounted feats. Boon Companion covers those specific four levels.
Considering brawler (wild child) for Martial Flexibility. And obviously considering sylvan sorc to enlarge my animal for the increased damage die.
Specifically I'll be on a worg via Monstrous Mount. I won't be druid at all due to the "natural" armor restriction. Mentioning druid was just because it's a class with a pet and it roughly fit my question. But the armor restriction is too restrictive for this guy.
This'll be similar to a previous character I had but I'm just trying to see what options I have to improve upon it.
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I never found the druid armor restriction that restrictive. Leather Lamellar is great for low level, and Dragonhide and Stoneplate covers high level.
I completely forgot about those options.
"By selecting only choice scales
and bits of hide, an armorsmith can produce one suit of
masterwork banded mail for a creature two sizes smaller,
one suit of masterwork half-plate for a creature three sizes
smaller, or one masterwork breastplate or suit of full plate
for a creature four sizes smaller"
Are the bolded armors the only options available for armor, or can any armor be made of dragonhide? Is the only benefit of dragonhide that it allows druids to wear non-standard armors?
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The benefit of dragonhide is that it allows druids to wear heavier armors normally available only in metal which is forbidden.I never found the druid armor restriction that restrictive. Leather Lamellar is great for low level, and Dragonhide and Stoneplate covers high level.I completely forgot about those options.
"By selecting only choice scales
and bits of hide, an armorsmith can produce one suit of
masterwork banded mail for a creature two sizes smaller,
one suit of masterwork half-plate for a creature three sizes
smaller, or one masterwork breastplate or suit of full plate
for a creature four sizes smaller"Are the bolded armors the only options available for armor, or can any armor be made of dragonhide? Is the only benefit of dragonhide that it allows druids to wear non-standard armors?
Right, I pretty much assumed that, the more important part of the question is which armors can be made from dragonhide?