Hi there. I'm just wondering when to expect the Pathfinder Unchained rules on the PRD. I'd like to introduce it in my game, but it's not fair on the players who don't want to buy it yet to introduce it before it makes the reference document. No rush (I know it was only just publicly released today), but I'd just like to give my players a timeline.
Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, but I've been unable to find a similar question elsewhere. If anyone knows of a better place to post this question, please do let me know.
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I'd expect Unchained to appear shortly after PaizoCon. Generally we wait a month until after our hardcover releases before they appear on the PRD.
Great. Good to have a timeframe. Thank you for the info!
Stickied for now.
Not that I came back to check the PRD exactly one month later at 5:30am or anything...
*ahem*
Anyway, since I was reading and saw the post was stickied, I just thought I'd check if there's an updated ETA or any delays. We still have a few hold-offs that aren't buying the book yet so I haven't been able to include much of the coolness (except for the unchained barbarian and the poisons - oh, the poisons!).
It's content is on d20pfsrd now. That's a good means to preview it before deciding to buy it.
That's good to know, but I was waiting for the official PRD. :-)
Maybe my gamers will accept the 3rd party site, though, so thanks for the info!
Just checked the d20pfsrd, and it's got the classes, but is missing some of my favorites: skill unlocks, stamina rules, poisons and diseases (juicy stuff!) and others. I guess that's why it's worth waiting for the official and the best PRD to be updated instead. I also don't have to click through banner overlays and sift through ads on the Paizo site. ;-)
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Not that I came back to check the PRD exactly one month later at 5:30am or anything...
*ahem*
Anyway, since I was reading and saw the post was stickied, I just thought I'd check if there's an updated ETA or any delays. We still have a few hold-offs that aren't buying the book yet so I haven't been able to include much of the coolness (except for the unchained barbarian and the poisons - oh, the poisons!).
Considering Paizo Con wrapped on Monday. My guess everyone is in a "CON Coma." Give them another week or so to wake up. It is a lot of work to organize and program the website.
Poisons and diseases are on the d20pfsrd site, here, I haven't looked for any of the others yet but I imagine they are there.
It's content is on d20pfsrd now. That's a good means to preview it before deciding to buy it.
The big missing item that my gaming group is waiting for is background skills. A lot of other things are up there, but the three skill systems are the biggest items that are still missing.
If Paizo can get the PRD update done early next week, they can get bragging rights that they got all of Pathfinder Unchained up before d20pfsrd did.
There's certainly more than enough up to determine if you would buy the book or not, that's for certain.
The PDF is $10, jus' sayin'
Poisons and diseases are on the d20pfsrd site, here, I haven't looked for any of the others yet but I imagine they are there.
Huh. Missed that. I guess that's what happens when you do a keyword search for "unchained" and they call the diseases "optional" and reference Pathfinder Unchained as "PFU". :-)
The PDF is $10, jus' sayin'
Oh, I'm sold. Bought the book as soon as it came out (hardcopy). Some players just aren't willing to shell out even a lowly $10 just so that they can have some backgrounds skills and a cool but niche extra use for combat feats. I'm not willing to foist a system on players that they can't see the rules for (mostly because it requires a lot of effort to keep on explaining things to them).
Anyway... this is turning philosophical. I was just curious about the release date on for the unchained paizo.com PRD.
Dropping in to give an update: the flurry involved for PaizoCon prep, and the following concrud (which still has some key members of staff out for most of this week), we're going to be pushing this release out. I'd have loved to have it up sooner, but currently juggling a *lot* of hats and didn't want people hanging.
Thanks for letting us know. Good luck with it all, sounds like a crazy time for you guys.
Completely understandable, hope that the staff members dealing with concrud recover fully. The material is well worth the wait (I even look forward to being able to spend a couple greenbacks on my own copy, which I will even though no local groups have accepted me to play in them T_T ).
Waiting with bated breath! I cannot use any other site to view the PRD so you guys are my lifeline until my physical copy arrives!
I am going to guess "arround GenCon"
Would the fact that this thread is no longer stickied be an indication that we are about to get the Unchained update?
Would the fact that this thread is no longer stickied be an indication that we are about to get the Unchained update?
Good question. or it was unstickied by mistake.
Again, Unchained PRD when?
More curiosity and anticipation. I've got the hard copy and the PDF. The original response was "shortly after Paizo Con" and then lots of stuff has happened. Curiosity /= entitlement. Besides, I'm now much more interested in when Occult Adventures hits the PRD, you know, so I don't have to buy it. :-P
More curiosity and anticipation. I've got the hard copy and the PDF. The original response was "shortly after Paizo Con" and then lots of stuff has happened. Curiosity /= entitlement. Besides, I'm now much more interested in when Occult Adventures hits the PRD, you know, so I don't have to buy it. :-P
I have the hardcover too, but many DM/GM say "not until it is in the PRD", and it also make it easier (well, faster) when making characters and stuff.
More curiosity and anticipation. I've got the hard copy and the PDF. The original response was "shortly after Paizo Con" and then lots of stuff has happened. Curiosity /= entitlement. Besides, I'm now much more interested in when Occult Adventures hits the PRD, you know, so I don't have to buy it. :-PI have the hardcover too, but many DM/GM say "not until it is in the PRD", and it also make it easier (well, faster) when making characters and stuff.
this is curious
where does "not until its in the PRD" come from?
the official PFS rules say own it use it, so ummm you can buy a hard cover but not until its available for free?
Who came up with that one?
and Ill +1... "I dont want to pay $10 I want it for free" ...seriously??
where does "not until its in the PRD" come from?It's not a sentiment I've encountered, but I can easily see how a GM could make that call.
Pathfinder has over a dozen hardbacks (not counting Golarion-specific material): Core, GMG, Bestiary 1-4, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, Ultimate Campaign, Ultimate Equipment, Advanced Player's Guide, Advanced Class Guide, Advanced Race Guide, Mythic Adventures, Pathfinder Unchained, Occult Adventures. You might add NPC Codex and Monster Codex to that if you're so inclined. That's a whole lot of books, and each year adds 2-3 more. If you're not playing at home, that's a lot of stuff to move around.
But the PRD is a wonderful resource for letting both the GM and the players have all that stuff available via computer, or even a tablet (a phone would be too small for extended use). So I have full sympathy for a GM limiting his or her campaign to the material that's available in the PRD.
It's similar to my sentiment on the matter, which is "If you want to use stuff not in the PRD, you need to own the book (print or PDF, doesn't matter to me) and also get it vetted by me first to make sure it doesn't just horrifically break the AP I'm running." I play exclusively online, so carry weight/bulk of the books isn't an issue; my issue is that the vast majority of my players do not own a single Pathfinder book at all and rely exclusively on the PRD and other online resources in order to reference rules and play. By keeping things mostly to open content, it is very easy for my players to help each other and myself with handy rules references and options where needed. If a player wants to use something outside of that, I'm more reliant on them to be able to come up with those things themselves since we can no longer rely on the party as a whole being able to easily research into whatever topic.
So far I've allowed in a small handful of Player Companions this way, so I think it works out well. It keeps options open for my players to do stuff they really want to do but isn't in the PRD, but also tempers it to a point where it doesn't go out-of-control crazy in the sense that the players who are unwilling to purchase the other books don't feel they are playing at a severe disadvantage compared to those bringing in the extra rules.
where does "not until its in the PRD" come from?It's not a sentiment I've encountered, but I can easily see how a GM could make that call.
Pathfinder has over a dozen hardbacks (not counting Golarion-specific material): Core, GMG, Bestiary 1-4, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, Ultimate Campaign, Ultimate Equipment, Advanced Player's Guide, Advanced Class Guide, Advanced Race Guide, Mythic Adventures, Pathfinder Unchained, Occult Adventures. You might add NPC Codex and Monster Codex to that if you're so inclined. That's a whole lot of books, and each year adds 2-3 more. If you're not playing at home, that's a lot of stuff to move around.
But the PRD is a wonderful resource for letting both the GM and the players have all that stuff available via computer, or even a tablet (a phone would be too small for extended use). So I have full sympathy for a GM limiting his or her campaign to the material that's available in the PRD.
It's similar to my sentiment on the matter, which is "If you want to use stuff not in the PRD, you need to own the book (print or PDF, doesn't matter to me) and also get it vetted by me first to make sure it doesn't just horrifically break the AP I'm running." I play exclusively online, so carry weight/bulk of the books isn't an issue; my issue is that the vast majority of my players do not own a single Pathfinder book at all and rely exclusively on the PRD and other online resources in order to reference rules and play. By keeping things mostly to open content, it is very easy for my players to help each other and myself with handy rules references and options where needed. If a player wants to use something outside of that, I'm more reliant on them to be able to come up with those things themselves since we can no longer rely on the party as a whole being able to easily research into whatever topic.
So far I've allowed in a small handful of Player Companions this way, so I think it works out well. It...
The vast majority of my game books are in PDF form on my laptop. I am not keen to pass around my laptop for the players to use, and my PF hardcopy collection barely fills a standard milk crate. The players can use these as much as they want, but the online PRD is my standard for what is allowed or not, though there are 3P books that are in and a few Paizo things that aren't--but I like every player to have access via device or dead tree version.
Huh. So this devolved into a debate over the need for the PRD. Regardless of need, players use it and it is usually updated with the latest core rules hardcover more quickly. There have been two recent monthly updates and neither have included Unchained or Occult. Maybe it's harder to encode than usual, I'm not sure.
As the OP I usually try to stay abreast of my threads and reply when no-one else does, at least until it is resolved... but after 6 months, I give up. Bye thread. Maybe I'll come back to say "thank you" if Unchained ever hits the PRD.
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The book will hit the PRD when it's ready. If your player's can't wait that long, or are too broke to purchase a PDF copy, let them read the relevant sections of yours. My rule of thumb for my table is that I allow any book I personally own to be used, and if it's one of the few books I haven't picked up yet, you need to bring your copy. If not, then there are plenty of options out there already and you can just wait until the book is acquired.
I am a big fan of sites like the Official PRD, d20PRD and Archives of Nethys, however I ALWAYS try to purchase a physical copy of the books as well. Sometimes we don't have access to the net, or batteries die, etc... My physical copies are always there and always usable, regardless of technological errors that occur. It would suck to have to skip a game session just because somebody's modem broke down.
AND....most importantly.
Purchasing the books means that Paizo stays in business to continue providing us years or fantastic gaming resources. If every book was instantly free, who would be writing them? People need to earn a living and I'm glad to invest money in books. Better $40 for a book that we will use for years than $40 to go to a movie once. Far better entertainment investment IMO.
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An update: The PRD updates for Unchained and Occult Adventures are actively being worked on (I'm staring at the files right now). They will very likely go live at the same time, along with a few other free-tures.
