This came up as my Paladin was facing evil creatures with susceptibility to cold.
Is it just an oversight? If not, it seems pretty arbitrary.
Especially since in editions past cold was the element associated with good and acid was associated with law.
Fire was actually associated with evil, go figure.
Because the justice burns with the heat of righteousness, while villainy waits with a cold heart.
It's iconic. See the angel at the gate of Eden with the flaming sword.
It's iconic. See the angel at the gate of Eden with the flaming sword.
As well the burning bush and guiding pillar of flame in exodus.
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Where is the burning bush power?
Probably a goblin feat or something.
If fire is thematically good, what does that say about goblinkind???
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Because Paladins don't know how to just, like, chill out, man.
Thematically fire is seen as a cleansing agent when applied against evil.
Ice on the other hand is associated with death and darkness. Thematically in literature I mean.
YMMV. I just as often see cold associated with Law and fire with Chaos, or some such.
Though considering that was a depiction of the final fight of the previous game, and this was the result:
"After the cursed sword was destroyed, the power of the spirit sword covered the world with crystals. There a utopia with no wars or suffering lied waiting".
...It's hard to say that Soul Calibur was the "good" in this scenario. They both suck hardcore on the good vs evil scale.
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Where is the burning bush power?
Nobody has done a book of adult themed Pathfinder stuff, have they? :P
"By fire be purged!"
"By fire be purged!"
I'm surprised it took twelve posts to get to the cleansing fire
"Yeah... Maybe we could melt evil's icy heart with a cool island song!"
"Yeah!"
"No!"
"No?"
"No! He's right. We have to freeze evil's hot heart with a cool island song."
"Or is it freshen evil's hot temper with a cool island song?"
"Let's cool its hot temper with a fresh island song."
"That's it!"
Because Paladins don't know how to just, like, chill out, man.
Thematically fire is seen as a cleansing agent when applied against evil.
Ice on the other hand is associated with death and darkness. Thematically in literature I mean.
YMMV. I just as often see cold associated with Law and fire with Chaos, or some such.
Though considering that was a depiction of the final fight of the previous game, and this was the result:
"After the cursed sword was destroyed, the power of the spirit sword covered the world with crystals. There a utopia with no wars or suffering lied waiting".
...It's hard to say that Soul Calibur was the "good" in this scenario. They both suck hardcore on the good vs evil scale.
soul calibur's titular weapons are sort of like the Shin Megami Tensei extremes of Law and Chaos--both want their respective thing (freedom and order, respectively), but forget the human element in such ideas
the soul edge on the other hand (or claw i suppose), wants the freedom to eat any soul of anyone at any time, regardless of who that affects and the fact that people kinda need their souls to not be dead.
you really get to see the soul calibur's 'law is not always not good' mentality as you get the true ending in SC6.
Sarenrae insisted that her Paladins be able to draw forth fire and Iomedae supported it.
None of the gods supporting paladins wanted to draw the power of cold.
It's the whole "flaming sword" thing, but as a person that has to actively resist the lure of adding cold or ice to every character I make, I don't have to be happy about that decision.
If I was making an association of energy types with Alignments, I'd put Sonic with Law, Electricity with Chaos, Acid with Evil, Fire with Good and Cold with Neutral. Seems like it'd fit thematically.
I think the demons and devils have a stronger historical connection to fire than goodly forces.
The only real historical uses of fire that I can think of that were supposedly in the cause of good were the Spanish inquisition, the burning of witches, and burning books. None of which in hindsight promoted the cause of good.
Fire is associated with both good and bad.
It can purify or blacken.
For cold, I can't remember cold having any historical connections. Any examples there?
For cold, I can't remember cold having any historical connections. Any examples there?
Dante's Inferno.
"Lo 'mperador del doloroso regno
da mezzo 'l petto uscia fuor de la ghiaccia..."
Canto XXXIV 28-29
(At the bottom of the ninth circle of Hell, Satan sits, embedded up to his waist in ice.)
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Time for a VERY awkward conversation with the party cleric ...You can always dig up and adapt the Erotic Handbook.Where is the burning bush power?Nobody has done a book of adult themed Pathfinder stuff, have they? :P
Best check the 'Succubus in a grapple' thread for some good, clean, innocent opinion.
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I think the demons and devils have a stronger historical connection to fire than goodly forces.
The only real historical uses of fire that I can think of that were supposedly in the cause of good were the Spanish inquisition, the burning of witches, and burning books. None of which in hindsight promoted the cause of good.
Good historical uses of fire:
Cooking
Light
Warmth
Boiling water (for purposes of sterilization)
If you're looking at historical uses of fire as a weapon, then of course it's going to look pretty bad, because historically most uses of weapons were not what we would recognize as good.
"Holy fire" is pretty common as a concept, probably because fire is so important as an energy source while still also being dangerous and thus inspiring a certain amount of respect and awe. EDIT: fire certainly is associated with devils and demons, but as a manifestation of God's wrath visited upon evil, not as a weapon of evil.
Cold is not as obviously necessary to human survival - you notice it mostly when it's cold enough to hurt. Thus cold-associated figures tend to be malevolent, though this isn't always the case. Holiday patrons like Santa are the most common exception I can recall - remember the hallmark of the reign of the White Witch in Narnia was that it was always winter and never Christmas. Of course, such winter holidays tend to heavily feature themes of light and warmth in the midst of cold and dark.
