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Are you sure studded leather is a good precedent? It's pretty consistently grouped with leather when it comes to special materials, and I haven't seen any examples of it benefiting from metallic special materials (though it can be made using bone). I might allow it made with adamantine studs but I wouldn't give you a benefit from Mithral (or more exotic things like Fire-forged steel).
Are you sure studded leather is a good precedent? It's pretty consistently grouped with leather when it comes to special materials, and I haven't seen any examples of it benefiting from metallic special materials (though it can be made using bone). I might allow it made with adamantine studs but I wouldn't give you a benefit from Mithral (or more exotic things like Fire-forged steel).
Nefreet and I had this same discussion in another recent thread. He thought there was a clarification in the Game Mastery Guide. I couldn't find it there or anywhere else in the PRD, but my search skills might just be insufficient.
Are you sure studded leather is a good precedent? It's pretty consistently grouped with leather when it comes to special materials, and I haven't seen any examples of it benefiting from metallic special materials (though it can be made using bone). I might allow it made with adamantine studs but I wouldn't give you a benefit from Mithral (or more exotic things like Fire-forged steel).
Hm. This might hinge not just on whether it's got metal bits, but how significant they are overall. A chain shirt's pretty metal (especially when a bloodrager wears one), so it'd get most of the metal benefits (mithril won't make it lighter). But studded leather's studs are just bits of it. It'd help with some blows but changing what a rivet's made of in this case won't really have a significant effect on its main function.
It's about as equivalent as asking if one could use darkwood for an axe haft, or mithril nails in a greatclub. Might make for flavour, but unlikely to really have a game effect.
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Page 118 in the GameMastery Guide lists Studded Leather Armor as benefitting from special material metals.
I see no reason why Silken Ceremonial Armor cannot as well.
One is layers of leather, covered in metal studs, and the other is layers of cloth, covered in metal studs.
I don't see a strong argument to disallow it, either from a game balance perspective, or a rules perspective, or a realistic perspective.
Silken Ceremonial Armor seems like it's mostly made of... silk. Trying to make it out of Mithral feels counterintuitive. Even the assertion that there are metal studs is inconsistent:
these robes consist of several layers of cloth and an outer layer of silk intricately woven with gold brocade designs and covered with metal studs
these robes consist of several layers of cloth over an outer layer of embroidered silk further reinforced with leather studs.
While I know of no official ruling, it doesn't seem logical that using a special metal for the studs - even assuming they were made of metal to begin with - would significantly affect the armor.
Though this is very nearly a moot question. Silken Ceremonial Armor already has no ACP, no ASF chance, no max dex limit. I wouldn't expect one with mithral studs to come in at half weight, either. Would adamantine studs grant a DR of 1/-? IMHO, that is really stretching the notion of how special materials function.
Expect table variation, but I would say no significant effects from special materials for silken ceremonial armor... unless you find a special kind of silk.
Page 118 in the GameMastery Guide lists Studded Leather Armor as benefitting from special material metals.
Yep, there it is. On Table 5-3. Now that I know what to look for it appears to me that that part of the book isn't included in the PRD. That would explain why my PRD searches failed.
But what benefits from special materials would anyone expect to apply to Silken Ceremonial Armor anyway?
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I'm not sure how conclusive a random item table is, especially since the only three materials available are dragonhide, mithral, and adamantine. It's not something I'd put a lot of thought into in editing.
But I don't really care.
If you want to spend 1000gp on mithral studs to make your silken ceremonial armour weigh 2 lbs less, that's dandy.
Though in the case of the studded leather you'd definitely make it out of darkleaf cloth instead of mithral. It says specifically you can make studded leather of darkleaf and it's 250gp cheaper for the same benefit, so why not?
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Besides the table in the GMG, there's also the entry for Bone in both the APG and UE, stating that Bone can be used in place of metal for Studded Leather Armor (which would impart the benefits and setbacks of Bone as a material to the armor).
That, to me, and combined with the GMG table, means there's enough metal in Studded Leather Armor to grant a benefit if other materials are chosen.
Now, unfortunately for Silken Ceremonial Armor, it has neither a table in the GMG, nor an entry for a different material to come to the same conclusion as Studded Leather. Allowing Adamantine studs (for example) would still, technically, be a GM call, but I'd like to think there's enough evidence here to make that a solid call.
As always, YMMV.
Personally, I was considering fie-forged steel for a polymorphing eldritch knight.
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Personally, I was considering fie-forged steel for a polymorphing eldritch knight.
I take it you meant FIRE forged right?
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Personally, I was considering fie-forged steel for a polymorphing eldritch knight.I take it you meant FIRE forged right?
Well either that or using the skin of the fee-fie-foe-fum giant.
