UnArcaneElection |
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Throw away or leave behind any denominations of money less than $100 bills.
If you wait several decades (or maybe a bit over a century), you won't need Pathfinder for this -- inflation will do the job regardless. Of course, with Pathfinder, the currency would weigh a lot more, thus increasing the incentive to leave behind the low-valued denominations.
UnArcaneElection |
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There'd be a thieves union (as opposed to guild)...oh wait...
Or maybe a government thieving department. Except you don't need Pathfinder for that . . . .
thegreenteagamer |
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Isn't that what church is for....
I can get into that in a PM if it's more than a small zing.
But suffice to say, I don't believe any religion has yet claimed that regular attendance will allow mastery of time and an ability to undo your decisions, merely forgiveness for them on a spiritual level - which doesn't undo any consequences for said actions here on Earth.
Jaelithe |
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captain yesterday wrote:Isn't that what church is for....I can get into that in a PM if it's more than a small zing.
But suffice to say, I don't believe any religion has yet claimed that regular attendance will allow mastery of time and an ability to undo your decisions...
Evidently you've never been to Our Lady of Perpetual Do-over.
... no offense to others (religious types mostly) but I find talking religion boring :-)
No offense taken ... and you're talking with the wrong people. ;)
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Religions just plant your dead and promise they will resurrect in the end times. I'm going to have my body cremated and try very hard not to reincarnate in lousy real life.
In Pathfinder you can actually meet a god and ask him, her, or it why they made you allergic to chocolate, oranges, sodium nitrate, and cigarette smoke/steam.
Discussing religion like this actually makes me feel a little better.
thegreenteagamer |
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In Pathfinder you can actually meet a god and ask him, her, or it why they made you allergic to chocolate, oranges, sodium nitrate, and cigarette smoke/steam.
Over 55% of the real world believes that we will have such an opportunity as well, you know. ...And that's just the Abrahamic faiths, I have no idea how that works in any religions beyond the "big 5", but I'm almost certain that Hinduism has the option to grow one with Brahman and know all things if you get enough positive karma, so that would add another 15%, although for them it isn't so much a guarantee.
...is that true, cap, are you a Quaker?
Edited for spelling correction.
thegreenteagamer |
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Religious group that split off from the Church of England. Captain Yesterday's joke is a reference to the Quaker brand of oats, which features a man in traditional getup of a Quaker on the box.
You guys need to remember not everyone is American :-P If I recall correctly, Hama isn't.
The Green Tea Gamer |
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He did at least attempt to end Vietnam upon taking office, which lines up with their anti war views.
Nobody is a model of their religion. We all fall short. That's actually the entire point of the currently most popular religion. You can't judge a philosophy by those who agree with it, only by it's internal merits.
Hama |
He did at least attempt to end Vietnam upon taking office, which lines up with their anti war views.
Nobody is a model of their religion. We all fall short. That's actually the entire point of the currently most popular religion. You can't judge a philosophy by those who agree with it, only by it's internal merits.
I don't judge a philosophy, I judge stupid ideas and people who do bad things.
Sissyl |
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He did at least attempt to end Vietnam upon taking office, which lines up with their anti war views.
Nobody is a model of their religion. We all fall short. That's actually the entire point of the currently most popular religion. You can't judge a philosophy by those who agree with it, only by it's internal merits.
And going by their internal merits, all the Abrahamitic religions are a) in favour of slavery, b) in favour of cruel and excessive punishments even for things that should in no way be punished, c) in favour of detailed and extensive moralistic rules for every aspect of life. This is simply by the texts. If you instead go by what their respective power structures (churches) have done, the situation doesn't get much better. In some cases, unbelievably worse.
Some Abrahamitic followers are good examples of what humanity should be like. When they are, they are so DESPITE what the books say and what the power structures say. Faith yes, religion no.
Morzadian |
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It's quite easily to be judgmental, condemn people for all sorts of things, be it a particular religious view or even something as trivial as a game designer's choice to get rid of some of the Barbarian's rage powers.
It's harder to try your best and get sidelined by external forces that are often outside of your control.
Self-esteem, Identity, tradition, politics, is just a few things that interfere with where we are and where we are going.
Hama |
Hm, I did away with most of that stuff. Tradition is usually bad, unless it's just for fun and cannot harm anyone. Politics I don't take any interest in. Identity is completely unimportant to me if it is based on something external.
As fro Self-esteem, I sometimes struggle with that facet of my personality, but usually come out on top.
Sissyl |
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Morzadian: Not condemning anyone, as you can see. Merely stating the obvious, that all the people involved in churches that (say) condemn homosexuals have choices to make. Demand and effect change, or leave, or carry their part of responsibility for what the church does. Huge organizations are rarely a good thing. This is one of the reasons.
I believe the Bible is clear about it: (sorry about translation here) By their fruit you shall know them. Or otherwise put: What someone does is what tells you who they are.
The Green Tea Gamer |
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Well, if I were my character in real life, usually what happens here is I mumble to myself, "Well, I tried talking things out. Seems that didn't work. Flame strike! Who's deity is true now?!"
...what do you mean alignment shift?! I was acting in character, defending my God! WHAT DO YOU MEAN I LOST ALL MY POWERS?! F*** THIS MESS, I'M CONVERTING TO NORGORBER!
Morzadian |
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Morzadian: Not condemning anyone, as you can see. Merely stating the obvious, that all the people involved in churches that (say) condemn homosexuals have choices to make. Demand and effect change, or leave, or carry their part of responsibility for what the church does. Huge organizations are rarely a good thing. This is one of the reasons.
I believe the Bible is clear about it: (sorry about translation here) By their fruit you shall know them. Or otherwise put: What someone does is what tells you who they are.
I didn't post your quote it wasn't aimed at you, just a general comment.
My mother grew up in an orphanage (run by nuns), an orphanage known for child abuse and my mother didn't come out unscathed.
And so that's my family tradition, myself, and all my brothers and sisters are atheists. Yet other people's traditions or experiences are quite different, and it believe its unfair to put everyone in the same basket.
Moral high ground can be easier for some, hard for others, depending on circumstances.
Life is hard for all of us. And trying to understand people instead of blaming them is harder to do but has less dire consequences. You push back too hard and the 'bad' can easily become 'rotten' very quickly.
thegreenteagamer |
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Sweeping generalizations about entire groups of people are wrong, and that isn't just limited to those outside of religion, Sissyl. Much evil has been done by large organizations, particularly religious, but much good has too. To lump it all together is no better than any other form of sweeping group based prejudice.
But that's okay, right? Because it's okay to judge a groups as long as they are not the minority, right?
thejeff |
Sweeping generalizations about entire groups of people are wrong, and that isn't just limited to those outside of religion, Sissyl. Much evil has been done by large organizations, particularly religious, but much good has too. To lump it all together is no better than any other form of sweeping group based prejudice.
But that's okay, right? Because it's okay to judge a groups as long as they are not the minority, right?
There's a difference between voluntary organizations and racial/ethnic or other groups you are part of whether you like it or not. You can leave a church if you don't like its behavior. You can't decide not to be white anymore if you decide white people do too many bad things.
Churches also, as you say, do good things along with bad ones. And they can also change. It's up to the individual to decide whether the good outweighs the bad or whether it's worth staying and working to change the organization.
But people will still judge you by it. Both for good and bad.
thejeff |
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If we did in real life what we do in Pathfinder we'd attack a faith we didn't like or approve of and poop on their altars. *tries to shove the train back on track*
Cause that's never happened in real life.
Edit: Nor is it something I often do in game, for that matter. Barring the kinds of faith that are sacrificing captives or some such. Those altars get desecrated after stopping the sacrificing and killing the murderers. Usually not desecrated by so crude a method though.