Shaping Focus and Quick Wild Shape


Rules Questions


Will the bonus from Shaping Focus negate the level reduction from Quick Wild Shape? So in essence if you take both feats you could wild shape as a swift action?


Actually, no.

Shaping Focus wrote:
Special: This feat has no effect if you are not a multiclassed druid.

That's there specifically to prevent this from working.

Shadow Lodge

No. First off Shaping Focus only works for multiclass druids. Second, Quick Wild Shape doesn't actually reduce your druid level for wild shape, it requires you to select a form available to a lower level druid. So even if you get around the multiclass druid restriction, you'd hit the "maximum level equal to your character level" limit and then still be forced to choose less powerful forms.


Drat. Ah well, thanks.

Grand Lodge

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This is a great feat at the 11 - 15 level as most of the forms you are taking are available at 2- 4 levels lower. At 14+ its basically automatic move action and 16+ automatic swift, unless your an archetype that gains forms with a later progression.

I wonder though, it limits what you can turn into, but does it limit the abilities of that form. For example, a level 10 druid with Quick wild shape turns into a Dire tiger as a swift action, a form that a Druid 6 can take. Would he not get rake, as he is still using the equivalent of Beast Shape III, but can only take forms that Beast Shape II allows.

Shadow Lodge

Yes, both of them are good feats (you can make a pretty fantastic monk/druid or barbarian/druid with Shaping Focus), they just do different things.

When I took Quick Wild Shape I treated it as granting abilities as a druid of a lower level, and I think that's the balanced thing to do, but the wording is not clear whether "forms" includes abilities.

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