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Diego... please stop. You have to literally ignore how English works to come to the conclusion you are coming to. A special charge is defined by the feat, but it doesn't matter if its not defined really because you can eliminate the prefix "special" and still have a working sentence. If you take charge out of the sentence, it ceases to be a sentence altogether.
So, why "special" is in the sentence if it has no meaning?
We aren't only speaking of English grammar, we are speaking of how game rules work.The sentence work without "special" sure, but then why it has been put there?
You arguing that it has been put there without any reason and that it has no effect.
You want to make the same test with another piece of the rules?
You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed directly toward the designated opponent.
Now we remove "directly".
You must move at least 10 feet (2 squares) and may move up to double your speed toward the designated opponent.
Grammatically it is as functional as before the change? Yes.
Rules wise? It work differently, now you can use a meandering path, as long as you move toward the opponent.
Removing words from the rules because that will make them say what you want them to say isn't a wise move.
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I read the big list of things, I still don't see anything in there that justifies reading
it say that it is "a special charge"as "it is not a charge."
If it is charge you must abide to all the charge rules that aren't specifically changed by the feat.
The problem is that most poster what to remove the limitations while keeping the benefits.
It is pretty obviously a charge. Otherwise they would have said that you can teleport and attack, not make a special charge.
Things that function on a charge would seem to function while using this feat.
Wow... thanks for the straw man argument Diego. Anyone could tell that I was pointing to how vital the word charge was to the sentence structure of the feat. I already stated what special referenced in this context... the feats specific rules introduced through dimension door and its ilk.
I'm reading "Special Charge" like this:
It counts as a normal charge, but with the movement changed out for a teleportation. The restrictions on moving during a charge, along with any Abilities/Feats/etc. that would modify the MOVEMENT of a charge (or example, Wheeling Charge or Charge Through) do not apply. Effects that apply to the ATTACK of the charge are still in effect (the +2 attack bonus, probably the AC drop, double lance damage, pounce...).
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I know there are a lot of threads about the Dimensional feats out there, but I didn't find a clear answer to a question I have. The wording of Dimensional Assault is:
As a full-round action, you use abundant step or cast dimension door as a special charge. Doing so allows you to teleport up to double your current speed (up to the maximum distance allowed by the spell or ability) and to make the attack normally allowed on a charge.
This seems to say two different things. First, it is a "special charge", and I'm not sure what that means. Second, it allows a teleport and the ability to make the "attack normally allowed on a charge" -- which isn’t a charge..it’s a teleport and an attack. So, is Dimensional Assault considered a charge?
Two reasons why this matters in my current situation (GMing a Seeker party for PFS):
1. If it isn’t actually a charge, then all of the items, feats, etc. (ex: Belt of Thunderous Charging) that are affected by charge actions don't apply, and the charge to-hit bonus / AC reduction don't apply either. This interpretation makes logical sense to me because Dimensional Assault doesn't have any forward momentum associated with it. (I know that logical doesn't always equal RAW -- which matters, since this is PFS).
2. Specifically, this has come up with Pummeling Charge, which states that the Pummeling Strike attack is made as part of a charge action. If Dimensional Assault isn't a charge, you can't do Pummeling Charge with it. With a retrain at level 12, the combination of Dimensional Assault and Pummeling Charge is extremely powerful.
Thanks!
I've looked at and treated this for Years, as a Charge.
special charge is even listed in the description. That means it's a "charge" with some different features; at least to me it does. It even ends with and to make the attack normally allowed on a charge. This reeks of it being a Charge.
Late to the party but i feel there is a simple way that it doesn't even have to ignore any of the movement rules of a normal charge.
You are charging in a straight line directly at your opponent through the shortest distance. It's just that line is drawn through a portal (or however you want to fluff the teleport effect) and as such I believe it is completely a charge all benefits and drawbacks included.
a lot of over thinking when it comes to this feat in this thread, just read the rules for Dimensional Assault and that tells you everything that you need to know
It's the "attack normally allowed at the end of the charge". You have to be functionally dyslexic or intentionally ignorant to not understand that it gets the usual benefits of a charge, since it is the attack at the end of a charge.
But sure, go on arguing that the feat basically does nothing. I'm pretty sure anyone reading the thread can make an informed decision about how the feat should work that way.
It's another case where the rules can be forced to mean whatever the reader wants, if they are sufficiently pedantic.
To a non-lawyer taking the English language at face value, Dimensional Assault allows the user to Dimension Door to any location within range as part of a charge.
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This is a tricky one because of its general lack of detail and terms like"special" charge. But a special charge is still a charge as in would trigger defensive abilities that trigger on a charge. So that leads me to believe a weapon set against a charge includes this special charge. But the movement is not "charge" movement as per the text but replaced with teleportation as per the spell dimension door.
I don't think pummeling style would combine because of how pummeling style is worded. "You can charge and make a full attack or flurry of blows at the end of your charge as part of the charge action. You can use Pummeling Charge in this way only if all of your attacks qualify for using Pummeling Style against a single target."
Simply put you aren't taking the charge action, you're taking the dimensional assault action that's special charge and performs a charge attack at the end. So for example the belt of thunderous charging would apply it's increased size damage as it specifically states applies to a charge attack which is what Dimensional Assault copies. Now the extra +2 to overrun and bullrush is tricky but if we are still working off that dimensional assault falls under the umbrella of a charge by being a special charge then it would also apply if not, then no.
//Edit// okay I almost forgot why I rezed this post. Could I combine these feats by teleporting above the target and drop down. I think it works because of the umbrella of special charge and charge. Atomic flying elbow for the win.
Branch Pounce
Prerequisites: Climb 3 ranks, Stealth 3 ranks.
Benefit: When charging a target by jumping down from above (such as when jumping out of a tree), you can soften your fall with a melee attack. If the attack at the end of your charge hits, the attack deals damage as normal and you also deal the amount of falling damage appropriate to your fall to the target (1d6 points for a 10-foot fall, 2d6 points for a 20-foot fall, and so on). This falling damage is not multiplied on a critical hit....
1. something something thread necromancy
2. combine Branch Pounce with Death From Above feat3. ???
4. Profit