Actually I would love to see the Punisher in Daredevil using the storyline from Daredevil two part story. Where it ended up with the Punisher going to jail...because well he was the villain. I can't remember the issues number but I know it ended with Daredevil shooting Punisher.
Actually I would love to see the Punisher in Daredevil using the storyline from Daredevil two part story. Where it ended up with the Punisher going to jail...because well he was the villain. I can't remember the issues number but I know it ended with Daredevil shooting Punisher.
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Yeah that might have been Child's Play (Daredevil 183 -184, I THINK. I'm remembering one of the covers with the Punisher shooting Daredevil in the gut and the one after it has Daredevil pointing a gun at the viewer..). Where Frank was going after these dealers who were selling to and killing kids. I remember Frank cradling the dead body of a little boy he just killed "So Young..."
Actually I would love to see the Punisher in Daredevil using the storyline from Daredevil two part story. Where it ended up with the Punisher going to jail...because well he was the villain. I can't remember the issues number but I know it ended with Daredevil shooting Punisher.
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Yeah that might have been Child's Play (Daredevil 183 -184, I THINK. I'm remembering one of the covers with the Punisher shooting Daredevil in the gut and the one after it has Daredevil pointing a gun at the viewer..). Where Frank was going after these dealers who were selling to and killing kids. I remember Frank cradling the dead body of a little boy he just killed "So Young..."
EDIT: The scene that I mentioned above actually takes place at the end of 182 as a prologue to the next issue. He kills the kid after he surrenders not realizing that he was so young
Kid (dropping his gun): Please--I give up...
Punisher shoots him anyway.
Punisher: This is WAR. I dont take prisoners.
Next Panel - Punisher is holding the body of the last guy he shot just now realizing that it was just a kid.
The agent who sent Punisher on this Job: Uh--Nice Work. Something Wrong?
Punisher: The last one i shot...
next panel a close up of the Punisher and the dead kid -
Punisher: A child. Just a child.
That was the story I remembered.
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Marvel's Feig recently spoke about re-re-casting Spider-Man as an actual teenager so they could cover many of the Parker's highschool plot & character points in the movies...
What is funny is that I've seen people support this idea while at the same time vetoing any Ultimate Spider-Man influences. Peter graduated high school in Amazing Spider-Man #28. 28 issues isn't much plot or character points.
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I felt it was as much a Kingpin origin story as it was a Daredevil story.
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It was exactly that, Peter. There's a reason you see both Matt in red and Wilson in white in the final episode - Season 1 is the rise of both characters. I'm really interested to see why Wesley and Fisk were friends, since it looks like Wesley didn't give a damn about Hell's Kitchen. What's their shared history? How did the stylish and eerily calm Wesley become Fisk's right hand man?
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I don't want to derail this thread with an argument about the Punisher, but I disagree entirely with your take on him. The Punisher doesn't kill indiscriminately, nor is he just an "a@*$@$$ with a gun." He's a soldier who has transferred his war to the kind of criminals who killed his family, and anyone who support them. He's a hero, an anti-hero to be sure, but a hero nonetheless.
Like all comic book characters (Batman used to carry a gun! Wolverine had super-speed and his claws came off with his gloves!), the Punisher has changed a lot. In his earliest appearances, he was firing automatic weapons at some dude who threw a paper into the trash and it fell out because the trash was too full, calling him a litterer. Dude was *nuts* about killing criminals.
And then 'heroes' with guns (and pouches, and headbands) got popular, and he got a more sympathetic portrayal (and was drawn differently than the scrawny curly-haired lean-faced man he was originally depicted as, getting muscles and a more square jaw and straighter hair, because thin dudes with curly hair have to be crazy supervillains like Harry & Norman Osbourne).
It's probably not fair to judge him (or Emma Frost, or various other characters who've become less obviously super-villain over time) based on his first appearances, but first impressions linger.
When the last Punisher movie came out, the theater nearby was giving away reprints of his first appearance, complete with attempting to murder the littering dude, and I remember thinking 'Is *this* what they want people to know about this character, that he was one of Spider-Man's more psychotic villains?'
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I don't want to derail this thread with an argument about the Punisher, but I disagree entirely with your take on him. The Punisher doesn't kill indiscriminately, nor is he just an "a@*$@$$ with a gun." He's a soldier who has transferred his war to the kind of criminals who killed his family, and anyone who support them. He's a hero, an anti-hero to be sure, but a hero nonetheless.Like all comic book characters (Batman used to carry a gun! Wolverine had super-speed and his claws came off with his gloves!), the Punisher has changed a lot. In his earliest appearances, he was firing automatic weapons at some dude who threw a paper into the trash and it fell out because the trash was too full, calling him a litterer. Dude was *nuts* about killing criminals.
And then 'heroes' with guns (and pouches, and headbands) got popular, and he got a more sympathetic portrayal (and was drawn differently than the scrawny curly-haired lean-faced man he was originally depicted as, getting muscles and a more square jaw and straighter hair, because thin dudes with curly hair have to be crazy supervillains like Harry & Norman Osbourne).
It's probably not fair to judge him (or Emma Frost, or various other characters who've become less obviously super-villain over time) based on his first appearances, but first impressions linger.
When the last Punisher movie came out, the theater nearby was giving away reprints of his first appearance, complete with attempting to murder the littering dude, and I remember thinking 'Is *this* what they want people to know about this character, that he was one of Spider-Man's more psychotic villains?'
Case in point - one of the 80's Marvel Super Heroes adventures featured two encounters with Frank. The first takes place when you're trying to have a conversation with Wilson Fisk - Frank bursts in and starts firing at everyone. That encounter still works - Frank would shoot to incapacitate people he knows to be heroes, but shoot to kill Fisk.
The second takes place at the end of the adventure, and Frank's got a gun to the head of a guy whose only crime is jaywalking. Clearly, that's not the Frank we know today - Frank's agenda is with organized crime. He couldn't care less about stupid infractions like littering or failing to signal your intent to change lanes. He's concerned with killing the people who destroy innocent lives, like his wife and daughter. He's a Batman who doesn't have the self-imposed limitation against killing. Frank's hands are dirty, and he knows it. He's not one of the good guys, but that means he can do things they can't, and let them keep their hands clean.
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I love when the Punisher stops by other comics. Especially the Spiderman ones when I was a kid. The Punisher is the man gone too far and it always worked well as a discussion on vigilante justice. I think they have an excellent opportunity to squeeze the Punisher into the new Daredevil series. The DD series has the right feel and mature allowance to allow this opportunity. I think it would make an excellent side-plot recurring character on the show. A moment for Murdoch to say "whoa, I was almost that guy..."
(Batman used to carry a gun! Wolverine had super-speed and his claws came off with his gloves!)
That's not true...that's impossible!
There's no doubt that Punisher makes a good cautionary tale for other heroes. Cameos by him can be quite interesting.
As for him, alone, though? I think he's a terribly written character, who is genuinely unlikable, and exists only to make other edgy characters go "Ow, I cut myself".
Like all comic book characters (Batman used to carry a gun! Wolverine had super-speed and his claws came off with his gloves!), the Punisher has changed a lot. In his earliest appearances, he was firing automatic weapons at some dude who threw a paper into the trash and it fell out because the trash was too full, calling him a litterer. Dude was *nuts* about killing criminals.
And then 'heroes' with guns (and pouches, and headbands) got popular, and he got a more sympathetic portrayal (and was drawn differently than the scrawny curly-haired lean-faced man he was originally depicted as, getting muscles and a more square jaw and straighter hair, because thin dudes with curly hair have to be crazy supervillains like Harry & Norman Osbourne).
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When was the Punisher ever depicted as curly-haired and scrawny?
I thought Batman carried a gun because he needed a way to shoot silver bullets to kill werewolves? I heard that someplace.
I thought Batman carried a gun because he needed a way to shoot silver bullets to kill werewolves? I heard that someplace.
Were the Werewolves Nazis?
I hear that both Bats and Supes were quite non-tolerant of those in the comics of the 1940s.
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Netflix orders season 2 of Daredevil, to premiere in 2016
Looks like we don't have to wait until Defenders to see more of Matt Murdoch. Hopefully we get Electra and Bullseye next season.
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Netflix orders season 2 of Daredevil, to premiere in 2016
Looks like we don't have to wait until Defenders to see more of Matt Murdoch. Hopefully we get Electra and Bullseye next season.
that is great news
I have a question about Netflix....
Do they release their shows on DVD? Because I definitely want to own this.
I have a question about Netflix....
Do they release their shows on DVD? Because I definitely want to own this.
The first two seasons of House of Cards made it to DVD. I can't imagine Disney/Marvel not releasing Daredevil on DVD & Blu-Ray and leaving that cash sitting in fans pockets.
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Easter Eggs and Trivia from Daredevil.
Spoilered for length and minor spoilers.
Daredevil is the first of many Netflix series that will lead up to an eventual crossover in The Defenders. This show will be connected to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, along with other Netflix series involving Iron Fist (2015), Luke Cage (2016) and A.K.A. Jessica Jones (2015).
The black costume that was shown upon reveal takes great inspiration from Frank Miller's Daredevil comic book storyline.
Charlie Cox stated that Daredevil will be much darker than anything else in the Marvel Cinematic Universe up to this point. The First TV-MA series in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Others non MCU have gotten an R-rating, like the Blade Trilogy, The Punisher (2004) and Punisher: War Zone (2008).
In the comics, the paper Ben Ulrich works for is The Daily Bugle. In the show, the newspaper he works for is the fictional New York Bulletin because Marvel did not yet have the rights to Spider-man or the Daily Bugle at the time of production.
In Ben Urich's office there are two newspaper clippings on the wall, one saying Harlem Terror the other Battle of NY, a reference to the events in The Incredible Hulk (2008) and The Avengers (2012). There is a framed article with the Hulk in it.
Two paintings featured in the show which are shown to Fisk and Murdock are direct representations of their comic book counterparts. Fisk is shown a large wide white painting and Murdock is shown a tall red painting, in the show both characters are primarily in black, where as Fisk in the comics normally wears a white suit and Murdock as Daredevil primarily wears a red suit.
In episode 5, when Fisk takes Vanessa Marianna on a date, she describes a prince she dated once before, saying he wore a white suit and an ascot, to which Fisk replies: "Ascot? That's a bit much." This is a hint at the classic Kingpin look of the comics, where he often is depicted wearing exactly such an outfit. (I was laughing at this.)
Crime films such as The French Connection (1971) and Taxi Driver (1976) are cited as an influence on the series. According to Marvel TV executive Jeph Loeb on this series "We've always approached this as a crime drama first, superhero show second."
It's mentioned that Matt grew up at St.Agnes' Orphanage. Skye from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (2013) also stated that she grew up at St.Agnes' orphanage.
The Boxer that Jack Murdock beats is Carl Creel. Creel would later become The Absorbing Man and regularly antagonize the like of Thor and The Avengers. The character did appear in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (2013) for season 2.
The destruction of New York City they refer to was caused by the Battle of New York in The Avengers (2012).
At one point, Ben Urich talks to Karen Page and says he did some research on her, and that he had found out something about her that would among other things undermine her credibility as a witness, but doesn't reveal what is is. In the comics, Karen Page became a heroin addict who turned to making pornographic films and even selling daredevil's identity for heroine. We could assume that all of this excluding daredevil's identity has already happened before.
During his fight with Daredevil in episode 9, Nobu wears the traditional red ninja garb of The Hand. In the Marvel comics The Hand is an ancient ninja clan and criminal organization, and become one of Daredevil's main adversaries. The war that Stick mentions in episode 7 is actually a conflict between his band of ninjas, The Chaste, and The Hand. One prominent member of The Hand is Elektra, a character that is referenced to on several occasions during the season. The war between the Chaste and the Hand was previously used as the main plot in the Elektra (2005) live-action film.
In episode 10, when Matt and Foggy talk about the language classes they are taking in college, Foggy claims that Matt only took Spanish to get close to a Greek girl that was in the same class. This is a reference to Elektra Natchios, who in the comics was one of Matt's many love interests, and who also is a ninja assassin.
When Hoffman turns himself in at the police station, there is a picture of Stan Lee on the wall behind SGT Mahoney.
Claire Temple's nickname for Matt, "Mike", harkens to an early run of Daredevil stories where Matt pretended to be his own twin brother, Mike Murdock, who was not blind.
When the young Matt opens the med kit to patch up his father after one of his boxing-matches in episode two, a deck of cards can be seen, with the ace of spades on the top. In the comics the villain called Bullseye, Daredevil's greatest nemesis - even rivalling Daredevil's enmity with Wilson Fisk - often uses a deck of cards as throwing-weapons, the ace of spades being his signature.
Deborah Ann Woll's real life boyfriend, E.J. Scott, suffers from a disease called Chroroideremia that is causing him to go blind. He dressed up as Daredevil at the premiere of the show.
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Mirage Studios) was originally intended to be a parody of early 80's comics including Cerebus, Ronin , and Daredevil (Marvel). The traffic accident involving a blind man and a truck carrying radioactive ooze, In the original TMNT comic, Splinter witnesses a boy struck in the face by a cannister of ooze. "Splinter" is a take on Daredevil's mentor "Stick". In the Daredevil comic, there's a mysterious group of ninjas known as the Hand; The TMNT comic has The Foot Clan.
The office across the hall from Nelson and Murdock's has a logo on the door of a globe with the name "Atlas Investments." The logo is very similar to the Atlas Comics logo; which is the company that evolved into Marvel Comics.
When discussing the fundraiser gala with Fisk, Owlsley remarks that they should "make sure Richmond's on the guest list. He won't come, but he'll get pissy if he isn't invited". This is a reference to Kyle Richmond who, in the Marvel comics, is a rich playboy that eventually gains superpowers and becomes the costumed hero Nighthawk. In the comics Nighthawk becomes an important member of The Defenders, a group which is going to get it's own series from Netflix.
Drew Goddard was initially hired to be the show runner for the first season, but had to drop out. Goddard was committed to directing the feature film version of The Sinister Six (2016 release), another Marvel property that would've conflicted with this series. Steven S. DeKnight took his place.
Both original showrunner/developer Drew Goddard and showrunner Steven S. DeKnight were writers for Mutant Enemy, production company of Joss Whedon. Both Goddard and DeKnight wrote for Whedon's shows Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1997) and its spinoff, Angel (1999). All three are, as of 2015, developing Marvel properties; Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), The Sinister Six (2016) and Daredevil (2015) for Whedon, Goddard, and DeKnight, respectively. Daredevil and The Avengers are property of Marvel Studios and exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) while The Sinister Six is a spinoff of Sony's, currently, abandoned The Amazing Spider-Man series. As of the deal made between the two studios on February 2nd, 2015, Spider-Man, along with all of his side characters, will become canon in the MCU. Whedon, Goddard, and DeKnight are now, again, contributing to the same intellectual property.
In the season finale, when Matt visits Melvin Potter to get his new body armor, one of the mannequins in the back of Potter's shop consists of only two long legs. This is a reference to Stilt-Man, one of Daredevil's recurring enemies in the comics.
The first live action Daredevil adaption to have Matt Murdock/Daredevil be trained under Stick. In the previous live action Daredevil continuity, Stick only appeared in the disastrous Elektra (2005) spin-off film to which he had no known connections to Daredevil.
Claire Temple was originally introduced in 1972 as a supporting character for Luke Cage when he originally was operating under the code name "Power Man". Her role of treating Murdock's wounds is based off the "Night Nurse" from the comics, a female doctor that runs an underground medical treatment center under that alias to secretly treat injured superheroes such as Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Spider-Man.
When Daredevil dons his classic red suit, it was an adaptation of the costume he wore in the comic arc Secret Wars.
There are several nods to the comics version of Melvin Potter in his workshop. In the comics he becomes the villain Gladiator who, among other weapons, uses wristbands tha shoot circular saw blades. Blueprints for these, as well as the blades he throws at Daredevil in their fight, in episode 11, can be seen. There is also a poster for La vendetta di Spartacus (1964), as well as a design for Gladiator's blue and gold emblem on a drawing board.
In episode 8, Leland Owlsley and Wilson Fisk have a meeting in Melvin Potter's workshop. During their discussion Owlsley can be seen getting his measurements done for a new green suit. This is a nod to the comics version of Owlsley, also known as the super villain/crime lord The Owl, who usually wears a green cape that lets him glide through the air.
The sign on the window of Foggy's and Matt's office - Van Lunt - refers to Cornelius Van Lunt aka Taurus, a former New York real estate magnate who forms a criminal organization called Zodiac.
The red and yellow robe used by Battlin' Jack Murdock is remeniscent of Daredevil's costume in his first appearance.
Main star of Dexter (2006) Michael C. Hall was rumored for the lead role. He said he would have considered it, but it was nothing but rumors.
The Veles taxi company takes its name after a Slavic deity of the Underworld.
Back in 1983, the ABC network had plans for a live-action Daredevil TV series. Academy Award-winning writer Stirling Silliphant completed the draft of the pilot episode, but it was never aired on TV.
In Episode 6, Condemned, Ben Urich is seen using a deck of cards to represent people and events to link crime around the city. For instance, using the "Jack" card to represent Vladimir, head of the Russian gang. At the top he places a "King" card with a question mark to symbolize the unknown head of the operation. This foreshadows/nods to Wilson Fisk's alias Kingpin in the comic books.
This marks the first time in 26 years that the character of Wilson Fisk/Kingpin is played by a Caucasian actor (Vincent D'Onofrio) in a live action adaption of the character.
During the flashback scene in episode 7, one of the nuns mentions to Stick of Matt's mother not being deceased. This hint is based on the fact that during Frank Miller's run in the comics, in the "Born Again" story arc, Matt's mother Margret was revealed to still be alive, where she had run away to become a nun and is living under the name Sister Maggie.
One of the framed newspaper headlines in the Daily Bulletin office reads "Cybertek Settles" referring to Cybertek and the controversy surrounding it from Season 1 of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (2013).
Forgetting the obvious connection, in Daredevil (2003), Matt Murdock / Daredevil (Ben Affleck) tells Franklin 'Foggy' Nelson (Jon Favreau) what Elektra Natchios' (Jennifer Garner) name is, to which Nelson replies she sounds like a Mexican appetizer. Then, Murdock tells him she's Greek. During a college flashback sequence in Daredevil (2015), Matt Murdock / Daredevil (Charlie Cox) and Foggy Nelson (Elden Henson) are joking around, when we learn Matt took Spanish (the national language of Mexico) with a Greek girl.
Both Rosario Dawson and Vincent D'Onofrio both starred in Men in Black films. D'Onofrio was the primary villain of the first film while Dawson was a key plot in the second film.
Vincent D'Onofrio who plays The Kingpin also played Dawson the garage owner in Adventures in Babysitting (1987) where the character Sara mistakes him for Thor.
Scott Glenn is the first American actor to play Stick. His predecessor Terence Stamp was British.
In the original comic book storyline, one of Matt Murdock's habits that supported his moniker "Daredevil", was when doing his patrol, he would jump off of buildings without having mapped out how he was going to land on his feet. He would literally improvise it in midair and did this traveling from rooftop to rooftop.
Vanessa Marianna is a nod to Vanessa Fisk from the comics who was the wife of the Kingpin.
Rosario Dawson who plays Claire Temple also starred in Sin City (2005), another adaption based on a Frank Miller comic series.
Towards the end of episode 13, just when Matt and Karen enter their office door, when the camera pans out at the end of the scene you can clearly see that the red cordons of the black trash bags form the infamous Daredevil emblem DD.
In episode 6 the sniper on the rooftop that is working for Fisk has an ace of spades on his gun bag. Many fans speculate that this is the super villain known as "Bullseye"
In episode 5 when Claire Temple asks Matt Murdock: "Are you one of those billionaire playboys I've heard about?", this can be a sly reference to the Tony Stark character - who is publicly Iron Man & fights crime in this costumed identity - who is a billionaire and part of the MCU.
There is a hint at Civil War in episode 5 when Matt Murdock sits on the bench at the 15th Precinct. There is a poster over his right shoulder on the wall.
In Episode 10, when Foggy discovers Daredevil's true identity and is confronting Matt, he counters Matt's argument about helping the city by saying "I could put a mask on, doesn't mean I'm Captain America." This adaptation of Daredevil is set in the MCU that includes Captain America.
Episode 10 is the first appearance of Melvin Potter, who is seen making a costume for Leland Owlsley (known as the Owl in the comics). Also in the comics, Melvin Potter frequently battles Daredevil as the Gladiator (his likeness is seen on a poster in this scene which is taken from the cover of Daredevil #226). Melvin and "The Man in the Mask" fight in episode 11, where Melvin uses saw blades, his trademark weapon from the comics.
Easter Eggs and Trivia from Daredevil.
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Awesome list now I'll have to watch it again to see the ones I did not catch.
Easter Eggs and Trivia from Daredevil.
Spoilered for length and minor spoilers.
Spoiler:At one point, Ben Urich talks to Karen Page and says he did some research on her, and that he had found out something about her that would among other things undermine her credibility as a witness, but doesn't reveal what is is. In the comics, Karen Page became a heroin addict who turned to making pornographic films and even selling daredevil's identity for heroine. We could assume that all of this excluding daredevil's identity has already happened before.
Definite Season 1 spoilers:
By the end of Season 1, she is still reeling from getting Ben Urich killed and having to kill Wesley. In the final episode, Murdoch mentions that he senses something in her voice that's been there for a while now and that he thought it would go away after Fisk was put away... but it hasn't. From her answer, it's clear that all these deaths and tragedies--and her part in them--continues to weigh heavily on her. My guess is that Season 2 is going to be hell on Karen Page.
I am halfway through the series, I like it.
I have one question though, although we don't know the exact time this is taking place in the MCU, how come neither Hydra nor Shield(s) have tried '' grabbing '' him? I ask this because with his vast array of super senses, his almost mystical lie detecting abilities and his hand to hand skills that can rival a Shield specialist... Well I can't imagine him NOT being in the Index.
I read that the show actually takes place 18 months after the first Avengers movie, so it takes place Pre-Winter Soldier.
Um as for why Hydra/Shield isn't interested? why would they be? The only thing reported in the media is that a highly skilled vigilante is running around. He's not punching people through walls or flying around in power armor...there is no indication he should belong on the index.
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I read that the show actually takes place 18 months after the first Avengers movie, so it takes place Pre-Winter Soldier.
Um as for why Hydra/Shield isn't interested? why would they be? The only thing reported in the media is that a highly skilled vigilante is running around. He's not punching people through walls or flying around in power armor...there is no indication he should belong on the index.
If a woman who got scapels surgically attached to her fingertips made it on the index...I would think they would maybe investigate it...but he has not made that big of a splash as of yet...