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Thanks for the comments, Jessica. Your explanations make a lot of sense. I will definitely be looking forward to more information on this book. This is potentially my Paizo Book of the Year if it hits the right notes.
Oh and while I have your ear -- I know I've mentioned this to James previously but I'm *really* hoping it makes it into the book so I keep paranoidly mentioning it everywhere -- I would be tickled pink if the book could fit in a sidebar about nonhumans getting local languages.
Right now, a sylph that spends her entire life in Irrisen starts with Taldane and Auran as languages, rules as written. It would be great if there was an official rule that the player could choose to substitute a local language for Common, and thus switch out Taldane for Skald, for example. Or a similar rule. Even if it wasn't even an automatic language, but just added to the list of Int bonus languages to choose from.
This rules tweak would seem like a natural fit for a Campaign Setting book about races, and it would only take a couple of lines, yet it would help a lot when making a sylph from Irrisen, or a dwarf from Osirion, or what have you. House ruling it in every single campaign is cumbersome.
So does every race in the book get art?
So does every race in the book get art?
There are some races that are combined into a single section (e.g. races unique to the Dragon Empires), who I think only get one piece of art in their section, and thus some of those races aren't pictured.
But every race that has its own section gets art.
I'm going to assume that 'aliens' is a combined section, because getting two pages on the lashunta alone would be too good to be true. ;)
Correct.
Cool so every section will have at least one piece of art.
I am I correct in assuming that the alien and dragon empire races sections are 4 pages each and the genie-kin section is 6 pages?
I'm still in the unsure camp...will probably have too wait till subscribers are getting their copies and giving a bit of spoiler goodness to decide if I'm really interested, since it sounds like most of the races I was interested in seeing spotlighted are actually in the "third tier"...
Jessica...is there much in the way of mechanical support(traits, feats, archetypes etc) for the races planned in this book ?
Or is it more fluff oriented ?
Im not asking for the entire book for free, the book is a book. I merely wanted to know if we were ever getting a preview feature of the books before we buy them. I tried to get my local library to get some pathfinder stuff, they kind of stared at me and then I walked away.
If this book is like most past Paizo rulebooks, they will eventually put it (minus the artwork) in the PRD, and will likely put up a couple of pieces of artwork (one of which would be the cover art) on their blog.
If this book is like most past Paizo rulebooks, they will eventually put it (minus the artwork) in the PRD, and will likely put up a couple of pieces of artwork (one of which would be the cover art) on their blog.
Except that this isn't a rulebook. It belongs in the Campaign Setting line, which means that like Inner Sea Gods it won't appear on the PRD. Other websites, however, might post the crunch eventually.
Could be, although some of the other "Inner Sea" stuff has appeared in Archives of Nethys and/or d20pfsrd.com (which I assume they would not be allowed to do if it didn't also appear in the PRD, although I haven't checked there for everything, since it seems easier to find stuff on the other 2 sites).
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99% of Paizo crunch is open content, so it will find its way into AoN and d20pfsrd. Additionally, since Archives of Nethys operates under the Community Use Policy, it can actually refer proper Golarion-related names, unlike d20pfsrd which has to cauterize everything as they don not fall under the CUP and can't use Paizo IP in any way.
I'd like to see archon hounds. They should make great paladins. Since they have a large number of abilities in the bestiary a mix of race and class would be great.
I believe that the Technology Guide is the only Campaign Setting product that has been put up on the PRD, due to unique circumstances. No other Campaign Setting products are made available for free on the PRD; only the setting-neutral Pathfinder RPG line.
Even at least some of this stuff has made it into Archives of Nethys and a couple of spots on d20pfrsd.com and even the PRD itself -- this one was easy to find (just search for "Technology" on the page), and actually judging from a brief glance, the PRD seems to have even more of it than the other 2 places (and contrary to my usual experience, this stuff on the PRD seems actually easier to navigate than on the other 2 sites).
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I'd like to see archon hounds. They should make great paladins. Since they have a large number of abilities in the bestiary a mix of race and class would be great.
What you need is a Pathfinder equivalent to Savage Species (a flawed but brilliant idea from D&D 3.5). Somebody was putting together a fan-based one of these that looked like a good start, but it violated terms of the Community Use Policy (misappropriated Paizo artwork, at least; not sure about other problems).
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I believe that the Technology Guide is the only Campaign Setting product that has been put up on the PRD, due to unique circumstances. No other Campaign Setting products are made available for free on the PRD; only the setting-neutral Pathfinder RPG line.Even at least some of this stuff has made it into Archives of Nethys and a couple of spots on d20pfrsd.com and even the PRD itself -- this one was easy to find (just search for "Technology" on the page), and actually judging from a brief glance, the PRD seems to have even more of it than the other 2 places (and contrary to my usual experience, this stuff on the PRD seems actually easier to navigate than on the other 2 sites).
The person you are quoting specifically said that Technology Guide is in the PRD. Samy is correct in saying that the Technology guide is the ONLY book so far copied into the PRD. This is a specific exception.
d20pfsrd and Archives of Nethys are different entities entirely.
d20pfsrd has to sterilize out Golarion specific language because they are receiving money related to the site, where Archives is covered under the Community Use Policy because he recieves no money related to the site.
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d20pfsrd has to sterilize out Golarion specific language because they are receiving money related to the site
Incorrect. Paizo stated that I am not eligible to use the Community Use Policy because I opened the d20pfsrd.com STORE. They said if I did not operate the store I could continue using the CUP.
...Archives is covered under the Community Use Policy because he recieves no money related to the site.
Incorrect. The individual who runs Archives gains revenue from the site via Amazon.com affiliate earnings, just as I do.
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I believe that the Technology Guide is the only Campaign Setting product that has been put up on the PRDEven at least some of this stuff has made it into Archives of Nethys and a couple of spots on d20pfrsd.com and even the PRD itself
I wasn't talking about Archives of Nethys or the d20pfsrd. I specifically said "on the PRD". I wasn't talking about any other websites. And on the PRD, the Technology Guide is the only Campaign Setting material that has been put up, as far as I'm aware.
^Some Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting material has also made it onto Archives of Nethys d20pfsrd.com: Shackles Pirate (as Coastal Pirate on the latter). Can't find it in a brief glance at the actual PRD, though (search engine won't pull it up). So the Technology Guide isn't entirely unique in this respect (other than being much easier to find on the PRD).
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d20pfsrd has to sterilize out Golarion specific language because they are receiving money related to the siteIncorrect. Paizo stated that I am not eligible to use the Community Use Policy because I opened the d20pfsrd.com STORE. They said if I did not operate the store I could continue using the CUP.
...Archives is covered under the Community Use Policy because he recieves no money related to the site.Incorrect. The individual who runs Archives gains revenue from the site via Amazon.com affiliate earnings, just as I do.
To add onto this and clarify a bit more: Community Use Policy
This is the main relevant line: "If you make any commercial use of Paizo Material, your rights under this Policy will be automatically terminated, and any permission granted by this Policy will be immediately revoked." d20pfsrd has a store that sells Paizo material, which was enough to make them a commercial entity in Paizo's eyes and disallow use of the CUP.
Ad revenue is all well and good under the CUP. The basic idea, as Paizo has explained to me, is any site using the CUP remain not for profit and not be involved in any kind of "commercial-ness" related to selling Paizo stuff. That's a very dumbed down version, but for most cases its accurate enough.
Anyhow, I don't want to derail the discussion. Just wanted to help with the understanding here of how to use the CUP, since I know there is a lot of confusion in that regard (I see posts every couple of weeks asking about it). Hopefully this information helps. I'm always happy to answer questions if anyone wants to email me: nethys at archivesofnethys dot com
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d20pfsrd has to sterilize out Golarion specific language because they are receiving money related to the siteIncorrect. Paizo stated that I am not eligible to use the Community Use Policy because I opened the d20pfsrd.com STORE. They said if I did not operate the store I could continue using the CUP.
...Archives is covered under the Community Use Policy because he recieves no money related to the site.Incorrect. The individual who runs Archives gains revenue from the site via Amazon.com affiliate earnings, just as I do.
I stand corrected.
Apologies.
Tons of Campaign Setting material has made it onto Archives of Nethys and d20pfsrd -- in fact I'd probably say close to 99%.
But I'm still not talking about those two sites.
Would those sites really be allowed to have any Paizo stuff that the PRD doesn't have?
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Tons of Campaign Setting material has made it onto Archives of Nethys and d20pfsrd -- in fact I'd probably say close to 99%.
But I'm still not talking about those two sites.
Would those sites really be allowed to have any Paizo stuff that the PRD doesn't have?
Yes, because of the OGL. The OGL allows the rules, the CUP allows the fluff (in simple terms). Also, the PRD just has material from their RPG line (with the exception of the Tech Guide, from the Campaign Setting line).
The SRD options is an incredibly good way to build customer loyalty. Paizo's policy of embracing the OGL and the CUP rather than shunning it the way D&D did is in my opinion one of the best things Pathfinder has going for it. :)
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Paizo's policy of embracing the OGL and the CUP rather than shunning it the way D&D did is in my opinion one of the best things Pathfinder has going for it. :)
It's the single biggest reason why I moved to being a Paizo consumer instead of a WotC consumer. The OGL is so much more fansite-friendly, allowing the community to provide so much more value than D&D allows these days.
Paizo's policy of embracing the OGL and the CUP rather than shunning it the way D&D did is in my opinion one of the best things Pathfinder has going for it. :)It's the single biggest reason why I moved to being a Paizo consumer instead of a WotC consumer. The OGL is so much more fansite-friendly, allowing the community to provide so much more value than D&D allows these days.
I can very much relate to that! I started reading about Pathfinder on various RPG forums after trying out 4th edition and realizing it wasn't for us, then used D20PFSRD to read up on the rules and Pathfinder Wiki to read up on Golarion. Made the leap using only the CRB and the websites, and then started buying books because I wanted to support Paizo and I really enjoyed reading about their campaign setting. At a rough guess I'd say I've spent over $400 on Pathfinder material in the past three years. If I were to include the money my players have spent, that number is probably closer to a grand - way more than we spent on 3.x in the eight years we played it.
I am curious about 5th edition/D&D Next. While I love Golarion as a campaign setting, there are some issues in the Pathfinder system inherited from 3.x that I'm not crazy about (feat taxes on non-str based builds, full attack focus runs counter to interesting combat, excruciatingly slow late game) and from what I've heard 5th seems to have taken steps to counter or solve many of them. However, going back to playing a system that doesn't have a comprehensive SRD and wiki is simply not going to happen - I'm way too used to being able to look everything I need on the fly, whenever, where-ever.
Unless D&D Next embraces the SRD philosophy I have no interest in making the switch wholesale or buying anything more than (possibly) the basic rule set from them.
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Unless D&D Next embraces the SRD philosophy I have no interest in making the switch wholesale or buying anything more than (possibly) the basic rule set from them.
Personally, I think this is unlikely if D&D sticks to their traditional business model, which would be their focus on Game Mechanics as their primary product rather than Adventures and IP.
On-topic, I'm hoping Inner Sea Races includes:
– A reprint of all of the racial feats that various X of Golarion products that have been created over the years, similar to Inner Sea God's reprints.
– Some new racial archetypes. (Could take the place of subdomains.)
– Content for the android and ghorian races.
– Since this is Inner Sea Races, I'd like some mention made for any non-Inner Sea race noting where in the Inner Sea the largest population of that race can be found. For instance, saying, "Wayangs have a small presence in Nidal," would be awesome.
– I'm crossing my fingers for another modular Prestige Class along the same veins as the Evangelist / Sentinel / Exalted, but I'm sure sure if something like that is feasible. It would be awesome if there was a Racial Exemplar feat that could pull off something like that, though. (Dibs on that idea if Paizo didn't use it in Inner Sea Races.)
I like a lot of those ideas Alexander Augunas, I especially like the idea of reprints of racial feats from the various softcover books.
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Secretly hoping that trox, wyrmwood and/or wyvarans are featured in this :p I need fluff to use them as encounters!
Also, despairing that maybe this book will finally make catgirl version of catfolk official <_< I really dislike that look
Seriously and honestly though, I'm just sad this got pushed back to September, I'm really looking forward to more info on non core races, even if they aren't the main focus... As person who always refuses to play as "normal" races, I need all the possible material xD
I am hoping that Ghoran, Wyrmwood, Trox, Wyvaran, and Syrinx will get some love in this book.
Also, despairing that maybe this book will not make the "catgirl/Thundercat with a tail" version of Catfolk official.
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Secretly hoping that trox, wyrmwood and/or wyvarans are featured in this :p I need fluff to use them as encounters!
Also, despairing that maybe this book will finally make catgirl version of catfolk official <_< I really dislike that look
Seriously and honestly though, I'm just sad this got pushed back to September, I'm really looking forward to more info on non core races, even if they aren't the main focus... As person who always refuses to play as "normal" races, I need all the possible material xD
I have no strong feelings one way or the other on the matter of catfolk appearances.
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Also, despairing that maybe this book will not make the "catgirl/Thundercat with a tail" version of Catfolk official.
Wait, so you are despairing about the exact opposite scenario? xD
Ah well, if that happens, I will just ignore it anyway. But I don't really get why people would prefer that look <_<
Also, I'm slightly amused that while we both want more info on non PC races with character stats, neither of us really seems to care about the gathlain
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Also, despairing that maybe this book will not make the "catgirl/Thundercat with a tail" version of Catfolk official.Wait, so you are despairing about the exact opposite scenario? xD
Ah well, if that happens, I will just ignore it anyway. But I don't really get why people would prefer that look <_<
Also, I'm slightly amused that while we both want more info on non PC races with character stats, neither of us really seems to care about the gathlain
My position:
1. Catfolk do not appear in my world until...
2. A player makes a catfolk character...
3. At which point their decision on the physical appearance of said becomes the default for that campaign.
If I require a cat-like character, I use Agathion-blooded Aasimar or Rakshasa-blooded Tieflings.
Actually I forgot to mention the Gathlain, I knew I should have looked back at the list of 0HD races. There also the Kuru wich are only found on one island in the Shackles.
It was already said that Monkey Goblins will not get any love in this book.
Since there is an alien section the following races will fit that category Lashunta, Vercite, Triaxian, and Kasatha, there are more but these seem most likely. I do not remember if the Trox is a native race to Golarion. Maybe they will mention the humans of Akiton and several other races of the other planets and moons some of wich we do not even know what they look like.
I wouldn't mind the "humanoid headed catfolk" look quite so much if they didn't just look like humans with cat makeup on. Find some middle ground between the two looks. Something like Vincent from the original Beauty and the Beast.
Plus, I think I prefer the catlike hind legs to human legs and feet, but again, try and find some kind of middle ground between a biped and a quadruped that makes them a bit more unique.