Purple Dragon Knight |
I'll take a "Marvel: Baxter Building Janitors" movie at this point. I don't really care what it is about, only that it is in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and done as well as all the others have been done.
Edit: "Marvel: Avengers Tower Janitors" -- I'm forgetting myself here... forgot that there are real world lawyers making a fat living fighting over movie rights for the fictitious Fantastic Four...
MeanDM |
I have loved every Marvel movie so far. I was really skeptical about Guardians of the Galaxy until I saw the trailer. But for whatever reason the Ant-Man trailer left me feeling really underwhelmed.
I'll probably keep up with developments, and I'll see it because I trust Marvel Studios, but I'm not super excited. First time for me since before Iron Man 1.
Caineach |
I have loved every Marvel movie so far. I was really skeptical about Guardians of the Galaxy until I saw the trailer. But for whatever reason the Ant-Man trailer left me feeling really underwhelmed.
I'll probably keep up with developments, and I'll see it because I trust Marvel Studios, but I'm not super excited. First time for me since before Iron Man 1.
Yeah. This is the first trailer that has made me feel just kind of meh. It shows potential, but doesn't generate excitement.
Skeld |
MeanDM wrote:Yeah. This is the first trailer that has made me feel just kind of meh. It shows potential, but doesn't generate excitement.I have loved every Marvel movie so far. I was really skeptical about Guardians of the Galaxy until I saw the trailer. But for whatever reason the Ant-Man trailer left me feeling really underwhelmed.
I'll probably keep up with developments, and I'll see it because I trust Marvel Studios, but I'm not super excited. First time for me since before Iron Man 1.
Both of these statements are excellent summations of exactly how I feel at this point.
Cthulhudrew |
I think this looks good, though I hope the wry humor in the trailer is pretty much limited to the trailer. I think a lot of Marvel movies still seem as if they have to try and brush off the subject matter with a bit of tongue-in-cheek as if afraid the audiences won't buy into their reality.
The suit looks cool, from what we can see of it, though I'm surprised they didn't go with more of an open-faced design like the original Ant-Man helmet (perhaps keeping the "mandibles" open like headphone microphones rather than connected below the chin). It would have given the actor more of an ability to emote with at least half his face while in costume, and might have avoided the tendency of comic movies to find ways to have the heroes "lose" their masks so the actors faces can be shown.
Krensky |
I find it interesting that when that trailer showed at the viewing of Ultron I went to there was a HUGE response. Silence when it started, laughs, gasps and cheers (!) during the action scenes.
Batman vs Superman's trailer though was covered with murmured conversation from start to finish as though no one was paying attention.
Caineach |
I find it interesting that when that trailer showed at the viewing of Ultron I went to there was a HUGE response. Silence when it started, laughs, gasps and cheers (!) during the action scenes.
Batman vs Superman's trailer though was covered with murmured conversation from start to finish as though no one was paying attention.
They didn't show superman at my theater, but overall, that trailer is boring.
Alex Martin |
Way more interested now that we have details in this trailer. At first, I thought it would be done in a silly/campy manner given the combination of Paul Rudd and Edgar Wright as the writer. But clearly they are trying to stay in the Guardians of the Galaxy style - some humor but also some tense stuff going on.
They did some interesting stuff to modify the Antman character. The super-strength when he's small approach makes him way more powerful, which is good. The controlling ants thing looks like it is more side-effect than the real power of the suit (it was kind of the opposite in the comics). The notion that you could weaponize the suit for covert ops seem more in line with an espionage angle, which I think is what was successful with Captain America's movies.
Lastly, I am guessing your villain's suit might be an homage to the Yellowjacket version from the comics. Which kind of makes sense, since that was Hank Pym's sort of "evil alterego" version.
MMCJawa |
Lastly, I am guessing your villain's suit might be an homage to the Yellowjacket version from the comics. Which kind of makes sense, since that was Hank Pym's sort of "evil alterego" version.
Marvel has pretty much said this, and has referred to Cory Stoll as Yellowjacket in press materials.
Freehold DM |
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I always thought an Ant-Man movie would be very silly. It's a silly concept for a super hero. Slightly less silly concept for a burglar, but still.
Thankfully, at least by this trailer, they're fully aware the concept is ludicrous and are trying to run with it.
in was wondering if they were going to go in a sewer urchin direction with it, where everyone thinks he is a joke super hero until they see what he does on a daily basis in his environment.
Ant man isn't silly. Anyone who can communicate with a literal army of incredibly patient spies is not to be underestimated.
MMCJawa |
I always thought an Ant-Man movie would be very silly. It's a silly concept for a super hero. Slightly less silly concept for a burglar, but still.
Thankfully, at least by this trailer, they're fully aware the concept is ludicrous and are trying to run with it.
Less silly than a talking raccoon with a gun? The bar has been set pretty low for "ludicrous things that shouldn't work in a movie but do" for Marvel.
Krensky |
I always thought an Ant-Man movie would be very silly. It's a silly concept for a super hero. Slightly less silly concept for a burglar, but still.
Thankfully, at least by this trailer, they're fully aware the concept is ludicrous and are trying to run with it.
It's worth noting that Ant-Man wasn't originally a super-hero he was a scientist who got trapped in an ant hill. The story sold well, so Lee made him a superhero who spent most of his time dealing with mundane crime until the founding of the Avengers.
Rynjin |
Rynjin wrote:I always thought an Ant-Man movie would be very silly. It's a silly concept for a super hero. Slightly less silly concept for a burglar, but still.
Thankfully, at least by this trailer, they're fully aware the concept is ludicrous and are trying to run with it.
in was wondering if they were going to go in a sewer urchin direction with it, where everyone thinks he is a joke super hero until they see what he does on a daily basis in his environment.
Ant man isn't silly. Anyone who can communicate with a literal army of incredibly patient spies is not to be underestimated.
You're assuming "silly" and "potentially incredibly dangerous" are mutually exclusive.
Did you ever watch the show Misfits? They had a guy at the end of season 1 who could control lactose. Make milk fly and such.
Managed to kill every member of the main cast (except the immortal one, who he left permanently brain dead).
Silly, but dangerous.
Rynjin wrote:Less silly than a talking raccoon with a gun? The bar has been set pretty low for "ludicrous things that shouldn't work in a movie but do" for Marvel.I always thought an Ant-Man movie would be very silly. It's a silly concept for a super hero. Slightly less silly concept for a burglar, but still.
Thankfully, at least by this trailer, they're fully aware the concept is ludicrous and are trying to run with it.
"Man who shrinks and talks to ants, who fights crime against other people who shrink and big people alike" is much sillier than "talking animal".
thejeff |
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Comic-wise, the Wasp has had enhanced strength when she shrinks for many years now (proportionally greater the smaller she gets). Best illustrated during Roger Stern's Masters of Evil arc on Avengers.
Originally, for both Wasp and Ant-Man, it was just "Kept their original strength", which is pretty damn impressive by itself.
Set |
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Yeah, it's changed over the years from 'keeps strength' to Wasp having super-strength when shrunk (being able to bend gun barrels and the like) to the second Ant-Man demonstrating that Pym Particles (try saying that out loud and not calling them 'pimp particles...') can give someone super-strength at any size.
Which makes sense. If they just allowed their various users to add more human-strength tissue, they'd collapse under their own weight at 12 ft. tall and dissolve into a puddle of shattered bone and ruptured muscles and connective tissue before they hit 60 ft. At 10x height, Pym weighs 1000x as much. He'd need 1000x human strength and durability, not 10x human strength and durability, just to keep up with physics and be able to walk and talk and not explode in a shower of gore.
Anywho, I've always been a fan of Pym (and, to a lesser extent, Lang) and hope this movie is decent, and that we see some mention of a Janet in the picture. Her getting cut from the original Avengers script was a shame.
If they choose to go with a more Ultimates-y version of Janet (biracial, mutant or, in this case, inhuman), that would be fine. Her origin and ethnicity have never really been what's cool about the character (indeed, her origin of 'beg my wannabe scientist boyfriend to give me superpowers so I can go adventure with him and maybe catch his eye' is probably best to leave in the past anyway!).
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The woman in the trailer is Hope Van Dyne, Henry and Janet's daughter, and the plot involves Henry as Ant Man and Janet (presumably as Wasp) having been costumed adventurers under Howard Stark and peggy Carter's SHIELD in the early sixties.
She won't be Inhuman because Skye was the first Inhuman SHIELD learned about, before that all of the people on the index were the result of science or some freak accident.
I assume Pym and Van Dyne were cut out due to the shrinking thing being deemed silly and to avoid the awkward need to explain their history together in the comics following Bob Hall misinterpreting Jim Shooter's script.
Freehold DM |
Yeah, it's changed over the years from 'keeps strength' to Wasp having super-strength when shrunk (being able to bend gun barrels and the like) to the second Ant-Man demonstrating that Pym Particles (try saying that out loud and not calling them 'pimp particles...') can give someone super-strength at any size.
Which makes sense. If they just allowed their various users to add more human-strength tissue, they'd collapse under their own weight at 12 ft. tall and dissolve into a puddle of shattered bone and ruptured muscles and connective tissue before they hit 60 ft. At 10x height, Pym weighs 1000x as much. He'd need 1000x human strength and durability, not 10x human strength and durability, just to keep up with physics and be able to walk and talk and not explode in a shower of gore.
Anywho, I've always been a fan of Pym (and, to a lesser extent, Lang) and hope this movie is decent, and that we see some mention of a Janet in the picture. Her getting cut from the original Avengers script was a shame.
If they choose to go with a more Ultimates-y version of Janet (biracial, mutant or, in this case, inhuman), that would be fine. Her origin and ethnicity have never really been what's cool about the character (indeed, her origin of 'beg my wannabe scientist boyfriend to give me superpowers so I can go adventure with him and maybe catch his eye' is probably best to leave in the past anyway!).
no love for eric?
Caineach |
The woman in the trailer is Hope Van Dyne, Henry and Janet's daughter, and the plot involves Henry as Ant Man and Janet (presumably as Wasp) having been costumed adventurers under Howard Stark and peggy Carter's SHIELD in the early sixties.
She won't be Inhuman because Skye was the first Inhuman SHIELD learned about, before that all of the people on the index were the result of science or some freak accident.
I assume Pym and Van Dyne were cut out due to the shrinking thing being deemed silly and to avoid the awkward need to explain their history together in the comics following Bob Hall misinterpreting Jim Shooter's script.
They had mutants not called mutants before Inhumans. Season 1 they had the fire guy that got a power boost from Centipede.