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If my young self from the 70's would read this thread, he would probably cry upon finding out that Marvel can't decide what goes and what doesn't go in their own Marvel movies... but he would have advance knowledge of future multibillion dollar Marvel movies... so..... :)


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It was a really good movie. Solid from start to end, only the villain was pretty "eh". Marvel is perfecting their craft, I only hope they can keep it fresh, too. We got a long stretch of movies ahead until Infinity War 2.

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magnuskn wrote:
It was a really good movie. Solid from start to end, only the villain was pretty "eh". Marvel is perfecting their craft, I only hope they can keep it fresh, too. We got a long stretch of movies ahead until Infinity War 2.

Actually I think the villain was a step above most Marvel villains because he had (gasp) characterization. Self centered, immature, in love with himself. It's so much more than "bad guy, really!" which just about every bad guy except Loki has been so far. Ultron had the whole "evil Joss Whedon" vibe, I guess, too.

But still, that places Yellojacket in top 3 for me.

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I saw it last night. I enjoyed it much more than I expected to when I first heard they were making an Ant-Man movie. Honestly, I sorta tune out the realism portion of my brain when I watch these. This is the kind of movie that goes well with popcorn.


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Lord Snow wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
It was a really good movie. Solid from start to end, only the villain was pretty "eh". Marvel is perfecting their craft, I only hope they can keep it fresh, too. We got a long stretch of movies ahead until Infinity War 2.

Actually I think the villain was a step above most Marvel villains because he had (gasp) characterization. Self centered, immature, in love with himself. It's so much more than "bad guy, really!" which just about every bad guy except Loki has been so far. Ultron had the whole "evil Joss Whedon" vibe, I guess, too.

But still, that places Yellojacket in top 3 for me.

I don't know, I found his daddy issues with Hank Pym to be a pretty slim motivation to go the full out evil mwa-ha-ha route he went. Although it does point out that Hank Pym has bad judgement, because he chose that guy as his apprentice. ^^

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magnuskn wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
It was a really good movie. Solid from start to end, only the villain was pretty "eh". Marvel is perfecting their craft, I only hope they can keep it fresh, too. We got a long stretch of movies ahead until Infinity War 2.

Actually I think the villain was a step above most Marvel villains because he had (gasp) characterization. Self centered, immature, in love with himself. It's so much more than "bad guy, really!" which just about every bad guy except Loki has been so far. Ultron had the whole "evil Joss Whedon" vibe, I guess, too.

But still, that places Yellojacket in top 3 for me.

I don't know, I found his daddy issues with Hank Pym to be a pretty slim motivation to go the full out evil mwa-ha-ha route he went. Although it does point out that Hank Pym has bad judgement, because he chose that guy as his apprentice. ^^

It's a bit more than daddy issues. Throughout dialog and behavior you can learn that Cross is one of those centre-of-the-universe types. I recall a scene where he talks to Wasp (can't remember actual character name) in a restaurant and tells her of the amazing revelation he had during his morning yoga meditation routine. In light of this & similar other things, it can be understood that his issue with Pym is that he can't comprehend why the old man wouldn't trust him with all his secrets. He was a rising superstar when Pym chose him as apprentice, his company flourished under his management and he managed to actually replicate the Pym Particle, a task that even Stark wasn't capable of.

Cross was in love with himself and convinced of his superiority not in the "all mortals must bow to me" way but simply because reality never proved otherwise to him.

Additionally, there's a really underdeveloped aspect to his villany, with it being mentioned that shrinking without some sort of special protection does stuff to your head. It's only mentioned at passing a couple of times but it could explain how "smart brat with daddy issues" became "psychotic obsessive killer".

Anyway, that's good enough for me, for a Marvel movie. Not exactly convincing by other standards but by those set in the MCU so far? It's much more than I was expecting.

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I mean the villain of guardians of the galaxy was an angry blue man. The villain in captain america was an angry red man. The villain in Thor 2 was a darkish man who was probably angry but who knows. The villains in 2 out of 3 Iron Man movies are angry businessmen and the third one is an angry bird lover with bad hair.

Really, standing up from that lot is not very difficult.

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Cross was a good villain in my books as well. Also he was something of a expy of Ultron. Hank's surrogate son, but they resent each other and Cross clearly has some daddy issues. Even the Yellowjacket helmet kinda reminds me of Ultron.

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Lord Snow wrote:

I mean the villain of guardians of the galaxy was an angry blue man. The villain in captain america was an angry red man. The villain in Thor 2 was a darkish man who was probably angry but who knows. The villains in 2 out of 3 Iron Man movies are angry businessmen and the third one is an angry bird lover with bad hair.

Really, standing up from that lot is not very difficult.

Your casual, dismissive, incorrect description of those characters saddens me.

Cross is solidly middle of the pack behind Stane, Hammer, Schmidt, and Blonsky.

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Stane was an awesome villain. Mostly because it was Jeff freaking Bridges.
Justin Hammer was also awesome in his own way.
Schmidt was good. Not enough time to flesh him out properly. Too bad.
Blonsky was awesome.

I love that Marvel doesn't have the qualms to pick amazing actors to be villains, even though it means that they'll usually be killed off. And those actors give awesome performances.

I just regret that they misused Faran Tahir. He should have stayed alive.

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I stand by my earlier assertion that Cross and Stane are the same villain.

Bald? Check!
De facto ruler of Good Guy's company? Check!
Mentor was at one time a Shield croney? Check!
Entitlement / Inheritance / Passed Over issues? Check!
Ruthless Businessman? Check!
Selling weaponry to obviously evil orgs? Check!
Elevator stops a few stories short of the penthouse? Check!
Fights primary protagonist in epic mecha battle? Check!
Captures protagonist's "love" for trope reasons? Check!
Killed by Good Guy's tech at the climax of mecha Battle? Check!

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Hama wrote:

Stane was an awesome villain. Mostly because it was Jeff freaking Bridges.

Justin Hammer was also awesome in his own way.
Schmidt was good. Not enough time to flesh him out properly. Too bad.
Blonsky was awesome.

I love that Marvel doesn't have the qualms to pick amazing actors to be villains, even though it means that they'll usually be killed off. And those actors give awesome performances.

I just regret that they misused Faran Tahir. He should have stayed alive.

The Mandarin is coming.


Krensky wrote:
Well, it was closer to Underspace anyway. The Microverse is still a thing in the comics... I think... But they almost certainly can't use the original Micronauts and they probably cant use the name Microverse in the comics, let alone a media the original license did not cover.

I'm pretty sure they can still (and do) use Microverse, as that was a Marvel thing and not a Micronauts thing (it first appeared in the Fantastic Four and predated the Micronauts series and toys by over a decade).

They can still use Bug, Rann, and Mari as well, but they can't refer to them by their Micronauts toy names, nor can they use most of the other Micronauts, either.

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I think it's kinda similar to how Marvel could make a Spaceknights movie if they really wanted to, but they wouldn't be able to include ROM in it if they did. Rights are weird.


Krensky wrote:
Hama wrote:

Stane was an awesome villain. Mostly because it was Jeff freaking Bridges.

Justin Hammer was also awesome in his own way.
Schmidt was good. Not enough time to flesh him out properly. Too bad.
Blonsky was awesome.

I love that Marvel doesn't have the qualms to pick amazing actors to be villains, even though it means that they'll usually be killed off. And those actors give awesome performances.

I just regret that they misused Faran Tahir. He should have stayed alive.

The Mandarin is coming.

I hated Justin Hammer...he seemed utterly incompetent, and I don't think he could have run a lemonade stand nevertheless a major arms production company.

I keep secretly hoping that we will find out that the Justin Hammer in Iron Man 2 was actually Justin Hammer Jr., with his father the actual ruthless businessman his son only wishes he could be.

Faran Tahir was great...but I think he is a bit hesistant about returning. I remember him commenting back then that he was a bit tired of most hollywood roles involving people of Middle Eastern descent involve playing a terrorist. That...has to be frustrating.

Also...sure the Mandarin is out there, but I don't see him showing up until phase 4 or 5, probably not until they end up recasting or otherwise needing to bring Iron Man back. Although apparently one of the buyers for the antman tech was from the Ten Rings (based on tattoo), an easter egg I totally missed.

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Misroi wrote:
I think it's kinda similar to how Marvel could make a Spaceknights movie if they really wanted to, but they wouldn't be able to include ROM in it if they did. Rights are weird.

Oh my god the money I would pay to see ROM movie.


The problem with the theory that Cross was crazy due to shrinking without the helmet is that we don't see him perfect it until half way through the movie. He is having so much trouble he is turning a bunch of sheep into piles of goo. He's crazy in the beginning of the movie. If he'd already shrunk himself he'd just have turned to goo.

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The theory is he had some issues that were exasperated by exposure to his fake Pym particles. Also, note he didn't really go full on villain (maniacal laughing, hand wringing, mustache twirling, threatening kids and small animals, etc) until after using the Yellowjacket suit.


Krensky wrote:
The theory is he had some issues that were exasperated by exposure to his fake Pym particles. Also, note he didn't really go full on villain (maniacal laughing, hand wringing, mustache twirling, threatening kids and small animals, etc) until after using the Yellowjacket suit.

One of his first scenes is murdering a board member and flushing him down the toilet because he disagreed with the direction Cross was taking with the company. A short time later we see his preferred test subject is baby lambs. I would say he was already a sociopath and pretty darn evil well before perfecting the shrinking process.

Now...it's possible that any exposure to Pym particles, not just shrinking, could cause mental issues, in which case Cross's problems mental deterioration could have started way before the movie began. But we don't really get that from the movie


Back when Pym was his mentor, he could have been evil, just hiding it from Pym, as Pym was his meal ticket, as it were.

Power not only corrupts, but it also reveals corruption that was already there, and once Cross was at the top of the company, he no longer had to hide his darker impulses from any superior.

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MMCJawa wrote:
Krensky wrote:
The theory is he had some issues that were exasperated by exposure to his fake Pym particles. Also, note he didn't really go full on villain (maniacal laughing, hand wringing, mustache twirling, threatening kids and small animals, etc) until after using the Yellowjacket suit.

One of his first scenes is murdering a board member and flushing him down the toilet because he disagreed with the direction Cross was taking with the company. A short time later we see his preferred test subject is baby lambs. I would say he was already a sociopath and pretty darn evil well before perfecting the shrinking process.

Now...it's possible that any exposure to Pym particles, not just shrinking, could cause mental issues, in which case Cross's problems mental deterioration could have started way before the movie began. But we don't really get that from the movie

Never said he wasn't evil, crazy, or both. Just that he didn't start displaying supervillain wackiness until after shrinking with the suit.


I saw it and it was awesome!!! Obviously better than Avengers. The only problem I had was the constant shrinking and growing in the fights - a little less and it would have been perfect, although the miniature fight was amazing.


The fight with falcon was awesome and i loved what the director was doing with an amazing fight between the two "weakest" Avengers. I would have choreographed it differently and not had falcon be able to see him so readily -they never did get into how he detected him, though I am guessing it was by heat signature.


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The fight with falcon was awesome and i loved what the director was doing with an amazing fight between the two "weakest" Avengers. I would have choreographed it differently and not had falcon be able to see him so readily -they never did get into how he detected him, though I am guessing it was by heat signature.

Perhaps he was detecting the tech?

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Freehold DM wrote:
I saw it and it was awesome!!! Obviously better than Avengers. The only problem I had was the constant shrinking and growing in the fights - a little less and it would have been perfect, although the miniature fight was amazing.

I loved the transitions between heroically lifting 'giant' train pieces to throw, and then zooming out and the little toy goes 'clunk.' Very jarring, and also funny.


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Obviously better than Avengers.

I'll politely disagree, and give Avengers a slight edge.

I'd rank the films, thus far, in this order:

1) Captain America: The Winter Soldier: ★★★★
2) Guardians of the Galaxy: ★★★½
3) Avengers: ★★★½
4) Ant-Man: ★★★½
5) Thor: ★★★
6) Captain America: The First Avenger: ★★★
7) Iron Man: ★★★
8) Incredible Hulk: ★★½
9) Avengers: Age of Ultron: ★★½
10) Thor: The Dark World: ★★½
11) Iron Man III: ★★½
12) Iron Man II: ★★


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Freehold DM wrote:
I saw it and it was awesome!!! Obviously better than Avengers. The only problem I had was the constant shrinking and growing in the fights - a little less and it would have been perfect, although the miniature fight was amazing.

I loved the transitions between heroically lifting 'giant' train pieces to throw, and then zooming out and the little toy goes 'clunk.' Very jarring, and also funny.

That was a good piece of film-making.

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Jaelithe wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Obviously better than Avengers.

I'll politely disagree, and give Avengers a slight edge.

I'd rank the films, thus far, in this order:

1) Captain America: The Winter Soldier: ★★★★
2) Guardians of the Galaxy: ★★★½
3) Avengers: ★★★½
4) Ant-Man: ★★★½
5) Thor: ★★★
6) Captain America: The First Avenger: ★★★
7) Iron Man: ★★★
8) Incredible Hulk: ★★½
9) Avengers: Age of Ultron: ★★½
10) Thor: The Dark World: ★★½
11) Iron Man III: ★★½
12) Iron Man II: ★★

You forgot to account for Joss Wheadon's effect on Freehold's rankings.

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Jaelithe wrote:

I'll politely disagree, and give Avengers a slight edge.

I'd rank the films, thus far, in this order:
[snip]

I mostly agree, although I'd rank Hulk, the Thors, Age of Ultron and Iron Man 3 at the bottom, and uprank Captain America I and Iron Man 1 a bit.

Whedon or no Whedon, Avengers was pretty amazing, and Age of Ultron kinda was not, IMO. Being a weirdo, one of my favorite Avengers scenes was the beginning 'Thin Man' sequence with Tony and Pepper snarking off of each other.


Set wrote:
Jaelithe wrote:

I'll politely disagree, and give Avengers a slight edge.

I'd rank the films, thus far, in this order:
[snip]

I mostly agree, although I'd rank Hulk, the Thors, Age of Ultron and Iron Man 3 at the bottom, and uprank Captain America I and Iron Man 1 a bit.

Being a weirdo, one of my favorite Avengers scenes was the beginning 'Thin Man' sequence with Tony and Pepper snarking off of each other.

Thor's been my favorite super-hero since I was about eight or nine. (I still hear the guy who voiced him for the Incredible Hulk and the Marvel Men series, and consider that the truest voice of Thor.) Before that, I had the standard Superman obsession until about three, followed by Spider-Man until exposed to more of Marvel's stable, at which point and subsequently Thor had and will have my allegiance. (I've grown progressively more indignant at his dilution and figurative emasculation over the last decade-and-a-half or so.)

My bias in his favor likely disqualifies me to rate the two films in which he's the primary protagonist.

Then, again, even I didn't much like the second one.


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Jaelithe wrote:

Thor's been my favorite super-hero since I was about eight or nine. (I still hear the guy who voiced him for the Incredible Hulk and the Marvel Men series, and consider that the truest voice of Thor.) Before that, I had the standard Superman obsession until about three, followed by Spider-Man until exposed to more of Marvel's stable, at which point and subsequently Thor had and will have my allegiance. (I've grown progressively more indignant at his dilution and figurative emasculation over the last decade-and-a-half or so.)

My bias in his favor likely disqualifies me to rate the two films in which he's the primary protagonist.

Then, again, even I didn't much like the second one.

I actually quite liked both Thor movies, the second probably more than the first. Despite there definitely being things I didn't like about each.

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From the Thor movies, I liked Kat Dennings jokes, and pre-crazy-in-his-underwear Stellan Skarsgard, and some combination of Loki, Heimdall, Sif and Frigga (in the second movie, particularly).

Anthony Hopkins and the role of Odin didn't go well together. I have no idea whose fault that was, but he seemed completely asleep at the wheel. And I still have no idea if Chris Hemsworth can act. I ain't seen it yet, if so. He and Natalie Portman spent far too much time, IMO, running over each other and / or staring gleepily into each others eyes.

Of Captain America, Iron Man and Thor, Thor is easily my favorite in the comics (being a big fan of magic and mythology), and yet I liked the Cap and IM movies better, perhaps because of the casting / writing.

I wouldn't mind seeing Balder, Brunnhilde (the Valkyrie), Amora (the Enchantress) and Skurge (the Executioner), more so than the Warriors Three, who always seemed to me like they should have been einherjar instead of actual 'gods.'

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A note for everyone dissing Incredible Hulk (Ed Norton) in general: I recently re-watched it with my kids and this is the only Marvel movie they can attribute more than 30 minutes' worth of attention span to (big powerful Hulk monster scared by lightning, wind and rain seems to resonate with young kids on some primal level... well done). Also, there's an incredible amount of foreshadowing for all the future Marvel movies in that one... I had not picked up on that way back when I saw it...

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It's subtle, but I love how Blonski's reaction to the serum contrasts with Rogers' reaction.


Jaelithe wrote:
Set wrote:
Jaelithe wrote:

I'll politely disagree, and give Avengers a slight edge.

I'd rank the films, thus far, in this order:
[snip]

I mostly agree, although I'd rank Hulk, the Thors, Age of Ultron and Iron Man 3 at the bottom, and uprank Captain America I and Iron Man 1 a bit.

Being a weirdo, one of my favorite Avengers scenes was the beginning 'Thin Man' sequence with Tony and Pepper snarking off of each other.

Thor's been my favorite super-hero since I was about eight or nine. (I still hear the guy who voiced him for the Incredible Hulk and the Marvel Men series, and consider that the truest voice of Thor.) Before that, I had the standard Superman obsession until about three, followed by Spider-Man until exposed to more of Marvel's stable, at which point and subsequently Thor had and will have my allegiance. (I've grown progressively more indignant at his dilution and figurative emasculation over the last decade-and-a-half or so.)

My bias in his favor likely disqualifies me to rate the two films in which he's the primary protagonist.

Then, again, even I didn't much like the second one.

Thor is actually one of my least favorite Avengers...but I have to say I actually love the THOR set of movies the most.

Ironman III is probably my least favorite of them, and I don't think I was really into the theme of the first Captain American movie which is why The First Avenger only ranks slightly higher than Ironman III.

My favorites apart from the Thor movies (the first Thor was really awesome, I blame the director) is probably Ironman II and Winter Soldier.

I really like Guardians of the Galaxy, but for some reason I just don't group it in with the others. It's probably because I was never a huge fan of that comicbook either.


Freehold DM wrote:
I would have choreographed it differently and not had falcon be able to see him so readily -they never did get into how he detected him, though I am guessing it was by heat signature.

In the comics, Sam can see through the eyes of his falcon, Redwing and thus has the ability to have superior vision. The goggles that Falcon has in Ant-Man are presumably providing him similar ability to distinguish great detail and (from what I gathered) even tiny objects from a great distance. Which made him uniquely suited to fight Ant-Man, of all of his fellow Avengers.

I don't imagine Cap would/could have done any better.


Cthulhudrew wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
I would have choreographed it differently and not had falcon be able to see him so readily -they never did get into how he detected him, though I am guessing it was by heat signature.

In the comics, Sam can see through the eyes of his falcon, Redwing and thus has the ability to have superior vision. The goggles that Falcon has in Ant-Man are presumably providing him similar ability to distinguish great detail and (from what I gathered) even tiny objects from a great distance. Which made him uniquely suited to fight Ant-Man, of all of his fellow Avengers.

I don't imagine Cap would/could have done any better.

indeed. Talking to birds is just as underrated as talking to ants. Falcap just saved the world using his ability in a recent issue.


Missus Turin and I watched Ant-Man yesterday evening. For me, I'd rank the MCU films in this order:

  • 1. Winter Soldier - with the hope that Captain America: Civil War attains a tie.
  • 2. Guardians of the Galaxy - Missus Turin would probably flip 1 and 2;
  • 3. Ant Man & Avengers (tie);
  • 4. Captain America: The First Avenger & Iron Man (tie);
  • 5. Thor: the Dark World & Iron Man III (tie);
  • 6. Incredible Hulk {Edward Norton};
  • 7. Iron Man II;
  • 8. Thor.


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FYI, there are rumors that Falcon gets a robot drone "Redwing" in Civil War.


MMCJawa wrote:
FYI, there are rumors that Falcon gets a robot drone "Redwing" in Civil War.

oooooh.....

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Ant-Man versus Cap: Cap wins.

Ant-man versus Iron Man: Ant-man wins -- spectacularly -- if he has the element of surprise, or if Tony's gives up a tempo to listen to him.

Ant-man versus Thor: Who cares? It would be hilarious.


Turin the Mad wrote:
8. Thor.

You truly are mad.


Jaelithe wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
8. Thor.
You truly are mad.

It came across as a "set up for the Avengers and introduce the new guy". Loki made the film, not Thor.

Mind that this rating is all relative to themselves. It's not like I compare Thor to Critters IV. ;)


Chris Mortika wrote:
Ant-Man versus Cap: Cap wins.

not if he goes subatomic...


Freehold DM wrote:
Chris Mortika wrote:
Ant-Man versus Cap: Cap wins.
not if he goes subatomic...

I'm not really seeing Ant-Man actually fighting Cap for much the same reason that most normal people wouldn't want to fight him: he's Captain America. Can I get his autograph?! (Ant-Man would if he had to of course, but it wouldn't be his idea of a good time.)

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I don't think fighting anyone is Lang the Elder's idea of a good time.

I wonder if, assuming the MCU is still going, we'll see Stature in a decade or so.


You know, one thing I like about the movie verse is that if they want to keep them going they will need keep cycling new heroes in to prevent them from becoming static. Instead of having 50 years of the same hero who you lose connection to him through the authors, they will have to bring new characters in.


Caineach wrote:
You know, one thing I like about the movie verse is that if they want to keep them going they will need keep cycling new heroes in to prevent them from becoming static. Instead of having 50 years of the same hero who you lose connection to him through the authors, they will have to bring new characters in.

Or do what everyone else making superhero movies has done: Reboot the whole thing every few years.

Some shake up in the cast is good. Never seeing Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Banner, Thor, etc in the Avengers again while we move on to increasingly third string heroes isn't. Recast the headliners after letting them sit out a bit. Keep shuffling new characters in and out.

But don't give up on the original Avengers entirely. And don't reboot and start another Avengers series with all new origin movies of the same heroes.


thejeff wrote:
Caineach wrote:
You know, one thing I like about the movie verse is that if they want to keep them going they will need keep cycling new heroes in to prevent them from becoming static. Instead of having 50 years of the same hero who you lose connection to him through the authors, they will have to bring new characters in.

Or do what everyone else making superhero movies has done: Reboot the whole thing every few years.

Some shake up in the cast is good. Never seeing Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Banner, Thor, etc in the Avengers again while we move on to increasingly third string heroes isn't. Recast the headliners after letting them sit out a bit. Keep shuffling new characters in and out.

But don't give up on the original Avengers entirely. And don't reboot and start another Avengers series with all new origin movies of the same heroes.

Why? The biggest problem in comics IMO is that they don't phase characters out and just reboot them, forcing the same themes on a new generation. Let the characters die or retire.


Caineach wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Caineach wrote:
You know, one thing I like about the movie verse is that if they want to keep them going they will need keep cycling new heroes in to prevent them from becoming static. Instead of having 50 years of the same hero who you lose connection to him through the authors, they will have to bring new characters in.

Or do what everyone else making superhero movies has done: Reboot the whole thing every few years.

Some shake up in the cast is good. Never seeing Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Banner, Thor, etc in the Avengers again while we move on to increasingly third string heroes isn't. Recast the headliners after letting them sit out a bit. Keep shuffling new characters in and out.

But don't give up on the original Avengers entirely. And don't reboot and start another Avengers series with all new origin movies of the same heroes.

Why? The biggest problem in comics IMO is that they don't phase characters out and just reboot them, forcing the same themes on a new generation. Let the characters die or retire.

Because it won't happen. Because you run out of popular characters. Maybe Marvel will be able to keep its audience for movies without any name characters. They've been doing a surprisingly good job so far. I doubt it, over the long run. And frankly, I don't want it. I don't want Cap to get 3 movies and a couple Avengers appearances and then never be seen again. Or replaced by Falc-Cap and then him replaced by someone else and on and on. I like the character. I like Steve Rogers. I like the WWII symbol of America out of time. I think he can support more stories than that.

OTOH, I strongly disagree that's the biggest problem in comics and it applies even less to movies, since you're only going to get a few movies out of any given actor. Not enough to make the characters stale.

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