PFS-legal Hurtful build that's online at level 1?


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Gendarme cavalier can get power attack at first level... so if you go that route then levels 2-3 you can be a fighter.. then 4,5 you can be a monk...

Ok that's five bonus feats at level 5... plus three for level..

Do whatever you want with those.

OTHERWISE this is more versatile

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/enforcer-combat

You can retrain that to http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/cornugon-smash-combat at 6th or 7th level

Just go around selling slaves til level 6... Use that non-letal damage long sword trait.

I mean with that build you could honestly do something along the lines of gendarm 5, fighter 2, monk 3 and then have two extra levels at the end for whatever you want. Use FoB, make non-lethal attacks, have a full progression mount (Horselord) and full progression UaS (That monk feat)

Just get combat reflexes tree and elephant stomp to hit someone, trip someone, hit them twice, free intimidate check, hit them again.

Four attacks at level 12, pretty decent considering the fact that they're prone and shaken.

Lore warden fighter will also give you combat expertise and will give you more of an excuse to ignore armor.


Viking Fighter archetype lets you Demoralize as a move action at level 2, thus you will get two attacks per round at level 2. Pretty potent.

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UnArcaneElection wrote:

^Kudos for a build that doesn't dump something.

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Thanks. I prefer to avoid dumping stats when possible.

Shane LeRose wrote:


You know, I was just about to suggest lowering some stats to squeeze out a bit more Con. In reading your comment I remembered how much I used to hate that when other people would do it. Can't recall what changed for me.

I did think about dumping, though. But I think to get any meaningful boost, I'd have to dump 2 stats. Even taking something down to a 7, I wouldn't be able to get Con to 16. So it would mean taking a penalty in WIS and either INT or CHA. A Cha penalty seems counterproductive on an Intimidate build (although surmountable eventually). I could probably deal with a lower INT and one less skill point, but I do like having some knowledge skill. I have to max Intimidate, and I'd like to keep Acrobatics near maxed to open up options with Martial Flexibility. So that means not maxing Perception and having a WIS penalty. I don't know if I can handle a character with a negative Perception modifier.

One of the things I like about the Brawler is that it doesn't feel as MAD as the Monk. I've got a Monk I've played up to 10th in PFS, and I had to dump Int and Cha to make it work.

Shane LeRose wrote:


It's a good build and looks fun to play. I have a player that made an order of the blue rose cavalier/inquisitor who focuses on non-lethal damage and intimidation. I actually have the shaken condition penalties in parentheses on each monster I build now because of how much easier it is to have those numbers on hand.

Thanks. I'm hoping to get to try him out soon.


Ferious Thune wrote:
Ms. Pleiades wrote:

He was wrong, Hurtful is a Bugbear feat.

Also, look into Cornugon Smash at higher levels.

Great! I could start using Hurtful at 2nd level thanks to Martial Flexibility. My level 1 feat is Enforcer. Bonus feat at 2 will be Power Attack. Level 3 may now be Hurtful. Somewhere I want to work in Intimidating Prowess.

Cornugon Smash, unfortunately, does not line up with the 2nd bonus feat at 5th, but I could always either retrain into it at 6th or take it at 7th. It would be useful against things that I don't want to non-lethal. Most if those, though, will likely be mindless anyway, and I could always use Martial Flexibility to grab it temporarily in those cases.

I apologize if I am missing something but how can you take a bugbear feat as a half-orc? The feat itself does not have a race requirement, but what from what I have read it is listed in the bugbear feats section of the Monster Codex. (Again I apologize if I have missed something as I do not have the Monster Codex book in front of me) How is it legal to take by any other race other than a bugbear?


If a feat doesn't have a race prerequisite, then it doesn't have a race prerequisite.

Some of the feats in the monster codex do, and some don't. If they intended that all the feats in that book automatically required that they could only be taken by members of a given race, then they wouldn't have bothered putting race prerequisites on some of the feats. And they would have had to write something in the book somewhere that all the feats in the book have race prerequisites.


The ARG is the only one that is restricted to being the race that the feat/spell is listed in the section of.

Other books are not restricted as such, and that was mostly because of Paragon Surge when the ARG came out.


TGMaxMaxer wrote:

The ARG is the only one that is restricted to being the race that the feat/spell is listed in the section of.

Other books are not restricted as such, and that was mostly because of Paragon Surge when the ARG came out.

Thank you for the replies, I was thinking of taking this feat for a half-orc inquisitor in a upcoming campaign but I was not sure if it was legal. An inquisitor is somewhat swift action restricted but I think an extra attack would be definitely worth it for my character build.

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