Unconventional Inspiration


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Sovereign Court

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Hi Folks,

Am I missing something or does the Investigator talent, Unconventional Inspiration, have absolutely no function at all? It seems to imply that Inspiration doesn't work with all skills. Yet having read and re-read Inspiration there's nothing there that implies a limit to which skills it will work with. It doesn't even say it won't work with unskilled skills. So needless to day I'm a bit mystified.

JoS.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition Subscriber

Yeah…I hadn't noticed that. It seems like there's something missing in the text for Inspiration.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Maybe it's intended to let you get free inspiration from that skill like how default inspiration works with knowledge skills?


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Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

This has to be a typo. It says

Quote:
An investigator has the ability to augment skill checks and ability checks through his brilliant inspiration... As a free action, he can expend one use of inspiration from his pool to add 1d6 to the result of that check, including any on which he takes 10 or 20.
There's no single check mentioned for "that check" to refer to. Also, the 20th level capstone says
Quote:
True Inspiration (Ex): At 20th level, an investigator can use inspiration on all skill checks—even ones he isn’t trained in—and all ability checks without spending inspiration.

This clearly implies some missing line about trained skills. I'm guessing there's also something limiting it to Investigator class skills.


I'm guessing that default Inspiration is supposed to be limited to Investigator class skills too. That's how I would resolve this issue.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Has this seriously never been addressed officially?


The improvement the capstone ability gives is that you can use Inspiration on any skill without spending any daily uses of Inspiration. Otherwise, you can use it on any skill you want, but it takes one of your daily charges of it.


RJGrady wrote:
Has this seriously never been addressed officially?

There doesn't seem to be time for easy error fixes. Being creative with things like secondary sources is much more important, after all.

In other words: Non of the ARG, ACG, ACO has had a proper round of clarifications despite many FAQ requests and classes/archetypes that do not work as written.

Sovereign Court

It looks to me like Unconventional Inspiration might be vestigial, referring to a time in the playtest when adding inspiration to another skill was worth a whole talent.

As is, inspiration eats up a lot of word count but it's not nearly at the top of the most important of the investigator's class abilities.

Dark Archive

Just a Guess wrote:

There doesn't seem to be time for easy error fixes. Being creative with things like secondary sources is much more important, after all.

In other words: Non of the ARG, ACG, ACO has had a proper round of clarifications despite many FAQ requests and classes/archetypes that do not work as written.

That is terrifying to hear, especially with all the mistakes in the ACG.


ACG is currently being "Fixed" and will be released when they make the next printing of the book for an official Errata. Until then, expect little in regards to ACG.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

I can wait, I'm just surprised there hasn't been a "oh, yeah, that, we'll fix that" post from a dev. :)


There's so many "Simple fixes" needing to be done in this book. And because they are a business nothing is ever "Simple." The rules team need to meet and discuss every single "simple fix" and use their methods to make a final ruling, or decide there doesn't need to be a ruling.

Honestly I so wish they could have an official rules guy thread. A thread to ask questions and get official responses.

The next best thing would be to have a list of the top 20 FAQ requests and how many requests there are. Often I have a question but don't spend the time to find the proper thread with the most FAQs to faq it.

Sovereign Court

It would be interesting if we could see the FAQ queue, sorted by # of requests.

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