I believe Shalelu's "human eyed" picture from Jade Regent was confirmed to be an art mistake. Normal elf eyes are still single-coloured.
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As long as we can agree that Shalelu's hair is green, we're good. ;)
Shalelu is not an elf, and a miscalibrated piece of art doesn't change that. She's blonde. Don't make me take back all the redemption stuff in Wrath of the Righteous just to be spiteful!
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As long as we can agree that Shalelu's hair is green, we're good. ;)Shalelu is not an elf, and a miscalibrated piece of art doesn't change that. She's blonde. Don't make me take back all the redemption stuff in Wrath of the Righteous just to be spiteful!
I'll be good. :(
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(having finally gotten started playing it, just want to say Wrath of the Righteous is already awesome. :D THANK YOU)
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Shalelu's not an elf, though, so her eyes should look more human.
I don't know which specific picture you're referring to, but put her up next to Lirianne, for comparison. Her eyes aren't so different from human.
[EDIT: D'oh, already answered.]
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Shalelu's not an elf, though, so her eyes should look more human.
I don't know which specific picture you're referring to, but put her up next to Lirianne, for comparison. Her eyes aren't so different from human.
[EDIT: D'oh, already answered.]
Actually, she is an elf. (Her human "father" is not her biological father, but a stepfather.)
When I said she's "not an elf" above, I meant to say "she's not a gnome" and thus doesn't have punker hair.
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*Ahem*
No one knows what it's like
To be the elf man
To be the fey man
Behind elf eyes
That is all...
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Legolas, what do your elf eyes see?
I must confess I find this entire dialogue confusing (beyond not having Jade Regent to see the "human-eyed Shalelu" and Mr. Jacobs asserting, however briefly, that Shalelu is not an elf.) Gluttony stated that "Normal elf eyes are still single-coloured." What does that mean?
Producing more confusion, the text from the Core Rulebook says "Their eyes are wide and almond-shaped, and filled with large, vibrantly colored
pupils." What does that mean?
Pupils don't have color - it is the opening into the eye to permit light to reach the retina. They appear black because they absorb all light (okay, no light escapes.) The portion of the eye that has color is the iris. The iris is also the portion that actually dilates to permit more or less light into the eye, making the pupil appear larger or smaller.
So is the intention that elves have no iris? Or that their iris and pupil are the same color? I assume the latter, though regardless certain anatomical and physics-based challenges ensue. The OP used the word "crazy" - I would use the word "broken" or "wouldn't actually work."
I must confess I find this entire dialogue confusing (beyond not having Jade Regent to see the "human-eyed Shalelu" and Mr. Jacobs asserting, however briefly, that Shalelu is not an elf.) Gluttony stated that "Normal elf eyes are still single-coloured." What does that mean?
Producing more confusion, the text from the Core Rulebook says "Their eyes are wide and almond-shaped, and filled with large, vibrantly colored
pupils." What does that mean?Pupils don't have color - it is the opening into the eye to permit light to reach the retina. They appear black because they absorb all light (okay, no light escapes.) The portion of the eye that has color is the iris. The iris is also the portion that actually dilates to permit more or less light into the eye, making the pupil appear larger or smaller.
So is the intention that elves have no iris? Or that their iris and pupil are the same color? I assume the latter, though regardless certain anatomical and physics-based challenges ensue. The OP used the word "crazy" - I would use the word "broken" or "wouldn't actually work."
Man, what's the saying? "This is Pathfinder, not dungeons and biology!" Mr. Jacobs clarified his typo; read gnome for what Shalelu is not.
Elven eyes are not the same as human eyes; because of that, there is no reason why their pupils can be any number of colors. Elves have no iris; they have no whites of their eyes, either. You can understand that the entire eyeball of a given elf is one color. This picture of Shalelu from Jade Regent should sufficiently illustrate elven eyes.
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The link didn't work for me, downer. Sorry!
On the other hand, though it wouldn't work with our current understanding of any eyes that exist, I've always explained it in my head-canon as elven eyes having a kind of film that, when combined with the color of their various rods, diffuses into the color that we see.
(I also got the impression that their eye-colors shifted.)
Kind of like a photo-sensitive lens that creates color instead of just darkness, or a one-way mirror that creates colors instead of just a reflection.
The link didn't work for me, downer. Sorry!
On the other hand, though it wouldn't work with our current understanding of any eyes that exist, I've always explained it in my head-canon as elven eyes having a kind of film that, when combined with the color of their various rods, diffuses into the color that we see.
(I also got the impression that their eye-colors shifted.)
Kind of like a photo-sensitive lens that creates color instead of just darkness, or a one-way mirror that creates colors instead of just a reflection.
Fixed link; there was a problem with the coding.
I always understood elves in Pathfinder, at least, to have eyes that are a solid hue (for example: all pink) but their colors would subtly change in intensity much like human irises (a kind of "worling" effect).
I think I'm going with elven irises filling the visible area of the eye, like many non-human animals (humans seem to have evolved visible whites to help with hunt coordination - I'm looking *that* way!), while elven pupils are small and not very visible, so an elf like Merisiel with dark irises seems to have single-colour eyes. IMC I'm describing Shalelu's eyes as 'bright' 'cold' 'eerie', but not monochrome orbs like 4e Eladrin.
I must confess I find this entire dialogue confusing (beyond not having Jade Regent to see the "human-eyed Shalelu" and Mr. Jacobs asserting, however briefly, that Shalelu is not an elf.) Gluttony stated that "Normal elf eyes are still single-coloured." What does that mean?
Producing more confusion, the text from the Core Rulebook says "Their eyes are wide and almond-shaped, and filled with large, vibrantly colored
pupils." What does that mean?Pupils don't have color - it is the opening into the eye to permit light to reach the retina. They appear black because they absorb all light (okay, no light escapes.) The portion of the eye that has color is the iris. The iris is also the portion that actually dilates to permit more or less light into the eye, making the pupil appear larger or smaller.
So is the intention that elves have no iris? Or that their iris and pupil are the same color? I assume the latter, though regardless certain anatomical and physics-based challenges ensue. The OP used the word "crazy" - I would use the word "broken" or "wouldn't actually work."
Man, what's the saying? "This is Pathfinder, not dungeons and biology!" Mr. Jacobs clarified his typo; read gnome for what Shalelu is not.
Elven eyes are not the same as human eyes; because of that, there is no reason why their pupils can be any number of colors. Elves have no iris; they have no whites of their eyes, either. You can understand that the entire eyeball of a given elf is one color. This picture of Shalelu from Jade Regent should sufficiently illustrate elven eyes.
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No, this isn't biology. But it is English. And the word pupil cannot be used to refer to something that has color because by definition a pupil does not have color.
The picture of Shalelu you posted seems remarkably similar to the picture from the AE version of RotRL and I would argue that her eyes are not a uniform color - but that could be open to interpretation and zooming in to see more detail may be making it harder not easier to figure out.
If I look at the male elf in the race write-up and Merisiel in the Rogue write-up - neither of them have uniform colored eyes. They appear to have no visible sclera (as S'mon suggests) with all the color coming from the iris and it's their pupils that seem almond shaped (!)
Probably too much angst for a Sunday morning and a relatively inconsequential topic. But I'd seen various posts about Shalelu's eye color, etc. in the past and couldn't ever quite figure out the source of the trouble.
Tangential reply to Mr. Jabobs - Blonde is always the right choice (I have a long standing weakness there) but looking at Shalelu's picture in the original Burnt Offerings - she may have been intended as blonde, but it's not hard for someone to jump to the green assumption. Oh and just for fun - her eyes there are explicitly human. (And yes I know that pre-dates Pathfinder.)
@Letrecis: If I remember correctly, the artwork for Burnt Offerings is kind of held up as exhibit #1 for why Paizo doesn't make much use of that artist any more. They got the colors (& other things) wonky for a lot of their pictures in that one.
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The word "pupil" is the wrong word in this case, biologically speaking.
Elf eyes are solid colors. When you get up close, you can see specific structures like the pupil, iris, and all that, but they're all close enough to being the same color that when you illustrate an elf, the result is one color in appearance.
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Speaking of elf eyes, what do you think of the eyes of the Blood and Night Elves?The word "pupil" is the wrong word in this case, biologically speaking.
Elf eyes are solid colors. When you get up close, you can see specific structures like the pupil, iris, and all that, but they're all close enough to being the same color that when you illustrate an elf, the result is one color in appearance.
I love them.
I've always imagined elves having eye shine as part of their low light vision. Does that happen for Golarion elves? Do they have something like tapeta lucida to reflect light back through the retina, and which may sometimes cause their eyes to shine bright blue, green or some other color at night or in darker areas? I would think elves and other races with low-light vision must have some sort of structure to help them collect twice the light in those dim places.
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Legolas, what do your elf eyes see?
England... France... Gimli's underpants.
The eye color of elves in my setting change color with the seasons; blue for summer, green for spring, golden for autumn, and grey for winter.
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Would you give night elves a penalty to stealth because of their flashlight orbs? (Blood elves I automatically deny stealth because of their neon like dress. :)I love them.Speaking of elf eyes, what do you think of the eyes of the Blood and Night Elves?The word "pupil" is the wrong word in this case, biologically speaking.
Elf eyes are solid colors. When you get up close, you can see specific structures like the pupil, iris, and all that, but they're all close enough to being the same color that when you illustrate an elf, the result is one color in appearance.
Nope.
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Legolas, what do your elf eyes see?
They're taking the halfings to Scarswall!
Isn't there more than one picture of Shalelu with green hair?
Are you going George Lucas on us?