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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
I like that in the midst of this cartoon nostalgia, no one brought up G.I. Joe. We all know they have something like a -20 to hit with ranged weapons—that are touch attacks no less!
On the plus side, they always manage to escape destroyed vehicles unharmed. Even the bad guys.

Truly, war is heck.

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Mikaze wrote:
Cthulhudrew wrote:
Adam Daigle wrote:
I like that in the midst of this cartoon nostalgia, no one brought up G.I. Joe. We all know they have something like a -20 to hit with ranged weapons—that are touch attacks no less!
On the plus side, they always manage to escape destroyed vehicles unharmed. Even the bad guys.
Truly, war is heck.

Or as my dad used to say, "they're shooting at each other over a teacup, why can't they hit anything?!"


I would love to see any of the following AP ideas
-A first world AP were start exploring it no later then the 2nd volume.
-A Tian Xia AP that actually starts and finishes in Tian Xia
-A planet hopping AP
-A explore/conquer/protect Arcadia AP
-A southern Garund AP with catfolk, amazon warriors, and ruins of sky cities.
-A dwarf focused AP with helpful dwarves NPCs.
-A Kyonin focused AP with actually helpful elves NPCs and a Lashunta town/fort somewhere in Kyonin.
-An AP focused on a Kaiju.
-An AP to explore/survive Sarusan
-An AP to explore Azlant and fight aboleth.
-An AP in Vudra would be cool.
-An AP were you are able to get into Hermea(as spies, to free/save someone, or to slay the mad dragon Mengkare).
-A dragon themed AP with a dragon themed boss at the end of each AP volume(sorcerer, bloodrager, dragonslayer, half-dragon). Plus the final boss of the AP must be a dragon(non-chromatic/non-umbral please).
-A AP in the Sodden Lands.
-A Linorm King AP would be cool.

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W E Ray wrote:

The APs should stick to new twists and plays on the classic D&D / high fantasy swords & sorcery tropes.

I disagree. I think that keeping APs or even the majority of APs in line with classic "high fantasy" alienates a lot of players. I personally can't stand high fantasy and only find myself able to stomach it in small doses.

Fortunately Paizo has a decent amount of twists on their more traditional fantasy adventures which makes them at least a little palatable.

Their more experiemental and darker themed APs are what really draw my attention. the 50/50 deal they have going now lets everyone get a taste of what they may like.


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But where do the Snorks and Man-At-Arms come into it all?

It turns out that after the Earthfall, some of the smurfs were so desperate to survive that they agreed to serve the aboleth in a manner similar to the gillmen – and became snorks.

Man-At-Arms is, of course, a veiled master cleverly manipulating the mythic-level humans. He almost made the mistake of having a revealing goatee, but the overlord Aboleth “Mah-Tel” advised him that humans were very suspicious of the motivations of other humans with goatees. He then chose a mustache as he found that mustaches often lull other humans into a false sense of security. He has since learned that the mustache is not as lulling as it once was, and now of course, blames Cosmo.

-TimD


i thought Man-At-Arms was

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a Denizen of Leng sent by The High Priest that won't be Named to prepare the world for Cthulhu's return!
.... or you know, something else similarly LoveCraftian


Solidchaos085 wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Well considering the Silverhawks will be in Iron Gods along with M.A.S.K. and Thundarr;)
But I was promised Megatron as the final boss for the whole AP :(

In hindsight, I should've said Galvatron or Unicron, oh well


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Solidchaos085 wrote:
In hindsight, I should've said Galvatron or Unicron, oh well

What do the Go-Bots get no love? LOL


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And to throw my two cents in here. I would love to have an espionage AP set in Nidal, using some kind of variation on the notoriety point system.

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theLegend76 wrote:
And to throw my two cents in here. I would love to have an espionage AP set in Nidal, using some kind of variation on the notoriety point system.

Oh yes. This has to happen at some point.

Especially if certain heresies get to come into play. :D

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An AP set in Tian Xia would be great. The continent has a lot of very interesting locations. And nothing of that "you need to start out as western heroes" nonsense. Although I will say that Amanandar is a very interesting nation, too.


A planet hopping AP is my most fervent hope. After that, perhaps just a module set on a different planet. Like Akiton or Eox.

A linnorm king AP with the PCs gaining the kingdom or defeating Fafnheir would be pretty cool.

Another delve through the Darklands would be welcome as well. There's still more areas to explore down there, and I think they've been some of my favorite elements of the APs they appear in.


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I wouldn't mind seeing a planescape style AP. Doesn't seem like many (if any) to date have dealt meaningfully with visiting other planes of existence.

Linnorm King AP would also be cool, and would let them touch again on something like Kingmaker in the back end (perhaps using some of the Ultimate Campaign Rules).


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One set in a place that hasn't been touched yet. I like to see Golarion revealed (even if not necessarily explored ). Pathfinder is very crunchy and that makes it hard to just handwave content for spaces on the map that we have nothing for but a name.

Orbots, unite!


I'd like an AP located primarily in Andoran and/or Taldor. Much potential unexplored lore - Reign of Winter technically started in Taldor, but very quickly left it...


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theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?

I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.


Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.

i would like to see one AP without a Succubus;)

or alternatively a 20 level/10 tier Tour De Force AP romp through Nocticula's pleasure palace:)


I'd like to see an AP with a succubus that isn't blatantly a succubus.....obviously they may have been one in something I haven't played but most 'devious female outsider' encounters are somewhat obvious


I have stopped buying the APs, and after JR part 6, will stop playing them......a proper dragon one would tempt me back, as would one where you play long lived races and the option/campaign that could bring


captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.
i would like to see one AP without a Succubus;)

Don't recall any in Kingmaker.


thenovalord wrote:
as would one where you play long lived races and the option/campaign that could bring

I don't see this ever being likely, as Paizo tries very hard to avoid their APs being set in a way that prohibits Core races from participating fully, which means this would likely never get anywhere because it rules out everything except Elves, Dwarves, and Gnomes.


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captain yesterday wrote:
A 20 level/10 tier Tour De Force AP romp through Nocticula's pleasure palace:)

That would be the JJ hinted 'Help the Demon Lady ascend to CN Deity of naughtiness' AP...

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Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.

I desperately want to know about the 5th Horseman, the Oinodaemon. I want an AP about it in fact.

Please?! :)


Orthos wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.
i would like to see one AP without a Succubus;)
Don't recall any in Kingmaker.

Touché :)

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Orthos wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.
i would like to see one AP without a Succubus;)
Don't recall any in Kingmaker.

Also Reign of Winter and Mummy's Mask (if memory serves).


Orthos wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
as would one where you play long lived races and the option/campaign that could bring
I don't see this ever being likely, as Paizo tries very hard to avoid their APs being set in a way that prohibits Core races from participating fully, which means this would likely never get anywhere because it rules out everything except Elves, Dwarves, and Gnomes.

It is a weakness that everything has to be catered for......but I'm sure lots races can flourish aged 100 or more.....do people still play core races, without swap outs

I guess third parties can be braver in their choices


Rob McCreary wrote:
Orthos wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.
i would like to see one AP without a Succubus;)
Don't recall any in Kingmaker.
Also Reign of Winter and Mummy's Mask (if memory serves).

And I'm not recalling any in Crimson Throne or Council of Thieves either. Not surprising given those are mostly about devils.


thenovalord wrote:
Orthos wrote:
thenovalord wrote:
as would one where you play long lived races and the option/campaign that could bring
I don't see this ever being likely, as Paizo tries very hard to avoid their APs being set in a way that prohibits Core races from participating fully, which means this would likely never get anywhere because it rules out everything except Elves, Dwarves, and Gnomes.
It is a weakness that everything has to be catered for......but I'm sure lots races can flourish aged 100 or more.....do people still play core races, without swap outs

I typically do not, but yes there are quite a few groups that still play Core only, especially for races.


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I would like to see an AP(volumes1-6) that does not have any Demons, Devils, or Daemons. Not a single one at all.

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I'd like an entire AP, with no mention ever at all of the outer planes, or any outsider monsters. And no demi-planes/not quite planes/semi planes/anything looking like this even from afar ... AT ALL !

And planets are just as bad as planes.


Stereofm wrote:

I'd like an entire AP, with no mention ever at all of the outer planes, or any outsider monsters. And no demi-planes/not quite planes/semi planes/anything looking like this even from afar ... AT ALL !

And planets are just as bad as planes.

Golarion's a planet.

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Dragon78 wrote:
I would like to see an AP(volumes1-6) that does not have any Demons, Devils, or Daemons. Not a single one at all.

This is very unlikely, given the fact that evil fiends are such a huge chunk of the game's monster menu at higher levels. We got pretty close with Kingmaker though.


Orthos wrote:
Rob McCreary wrote:
Orthos wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.
i would like to see one AP without a Succubus;)
Don't recall any in Kingmaker.
Also Reign of Winter and Mummy's Mask (if memory serves).
And I'm not recalling any in Crimson Throne or Council of Thieves either. Not surprising given those are mostly about devils.

there is in CoT, thats why i did my tongue in cheek joke, in The Infernal Syndrome. i thought, jeez if they have one in the devil AP they must be everywhere:D but yes non in RoW either or CC(?), i guess they aren't as prevalent as i thought:)

and it was just a joke, i have no issues with Succubi, but if i don't like a monster in a encounter i swap it out:) thats why i have five bestiaries:)


Stereofm wrote:

I'd like an entire AP, with no mention ever at all of the outer planes, or any outsider monsters. And no demi-planes/not quite planes/semi planes/anything looking like this even from afar ... AT ALL !

And planets are just as bad as planes.

The Moldvay/Cook B/X monster pallette!

It would make the high level encounters tough to design, lots of giants, dragons, and vampires. Plus tons of NPCs.

I would like one going even a step further with no outsiders and no undead, lots of humanoids, beasties, and aberrations but no spirits or cosmology issues.

Taking out undead is probably more of a no go than outsiders though.

I know it wouldn't fly for an AP but perhaps its possible for those oversized levels 1-X stand-alone supermodules. :)


Iobarian Viking would be pretty cool. One of the developer is expanding this chunk of the world in his homegame.

Aroden is also a very talked-about subject and I would love to see his death and resurrection explored, or alternatively an AP in the past, concerning the original empires--time travel or not.

We also haven't done the dragon AP yet.

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Glutton wrote:
According to StormWarrior, it is Ragnarök. (Thanks Google!)

Way back in the day there was a boxed set that dealt with ending your campaign in a dramatic way. I always wanted to try it out, an apocalypse or ragnarok, that would shatter the setting.

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I want to see a MEGA AP- a 12 issue behemoth dedicated to exploring what happened to Aroden.

Iron Gods is the 15th AP. I would LOVE to see this as the 25th AP. They HAVE to do something monumental to celebrate the 25th AP. What could be more amazing than a 12 issue mega AP to Aroden?

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Krome wrote:

I want to see a MEGA AP- a 12 issue behemoth dedicated to exploring what happened to Aroden.

Iron Gods is the 15th AP. I would LOVE to see this as the 25th AP. They HAVE to do something monumental to celebrate the 25th AP. What could be more amazing than a 12 issue mega AP to Aroden?

Anything else. 12 parter? no thanks.


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Krome wrote:

I want to see a MEGA AP- a 12 issue behemoth dedicated to exploring what happened to Aroden.

Iron Gods is the 15th AP. I would LOVE to see this as the 25th AP. They HAVE to do something monumental to celebrate the 25th AP. What could be more amazing than a 12 issue mega AP to Aroden?

Yeah that seems extreme on a huge angle for multiple reasons.

1.Marketing will have problems due to the fact that many people won't want an AP that big.
2.The players on normal rules will probably be at level 20 by volume 8-9 leaving an additional 3-4 volumes with no level progression.

The best you could hope for is a mythic AP dealing with Aroden in a normal 6 volumes.

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And given that James and Erik have repeatedly stated that "what happened to Aroden?" is one of the few campaign setting secrets that aren't gonna be ever revealed... slim chances.

Also, locking some people out of your primary source of income for 12 months isn't something you want to risk.


GreatKhanArtist wrote:


We also haven't done the dragon AP yet.

Nor an orc AP.


Or Giant AP, or fey AP, or Greek myth style AP, or sword and planet AP, or an actual Asian AP(half doesn't count), etc.


Dragon78 wrote:
Or Giant AP, or fey AP, or Greek myth style AP, or sword and planet AP, or an actual Asian AP(half doesn't count), etc.

Ok i will give you that Kingmaker doesn't really count as a fey AP but i think that RotRL counts as a giants AP and that JR counts as an Asian AP.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Or Giant AP, or fey AP, or Greek myth style AP, or sword and planet AP, or an actual Asian AP(half doesn't count), etc.

I consider the Rise of the Runelords to be a partial Giant Ap, and it had an installment that covered Stone Giants (which were omitted from the original G1-3 giant series) in Fortress of the Stone Giants, Ogres in that AP via Hook Mountain Massacre.

As far as homage or tributes are concerned - they hit on Giants with RotR. They paid tribute to the D1-3 series with Second Darkness.

I've always felt that a good AP would be a Slavers series - of course the organization has greater goals than merely poaching people in the night - so it would need a good twist (Razmir?). It would be nice to have a final battle with 4-6 very high level Classed npcs (the Slave Lords) + support vs. the usual single BBEG and minions for a change.


captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Rob McCreary wrote:
Orthos wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.
i would like to see one AP without a Succubus;)
Don't recall any in Kingmaker.
Also Reign of Winter and Mummy's Mask (if memory serves).
And I'm not recalling any in Crimson Throne or Council of Thieves either. Not surprising given those are mostly about devils.
there is in CoT, thats why i did my tongue in cheek joke, in The Infernal Syndrome. i thought, jeez if they have one in the devil AP they must be everywhere:D but yes non in RoW either or CC(?), i guess they aren't as prevalent as i thought:)

Ah, our GM moved Infernal Syndrome to the end of COT and we stopped in the middle so we never got to see that far.


Orthos wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Rob McCreary wrote:
Orthos wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
theheadkase wrote:
Am I the only one that wants an AP with more daemons and about one or all of the Four Horsemen?
I think most people want to give Evil Outsiders a break for a while after WOTR. But after a year or two off, I wouldn't mind a daemon-focused AP.
i would like to see one AP without a Succubus;)
Don't recall any in Kingmaker.
Also Reign of Winter and Mummy's Mask (if memory serves).
And I'm not recalling any in Crimson Throne or Council of Thieves either. Not surprising given those are mostly about devils.
there is in CoT, thats why i did my tongue in cheek joke, in The Infernal Syndrome. i thought, jeez if they have one in the devil AP they must be everywhere:D but yes non in RoW either or CC(?), i guess they aren't as prevalent as i thought:)
Ah, our GM moved Infernal Syndrome to the end of COT and we stopped in the middle so we never got to see that far.

honestly i think they should've had you start as members of the criminal underground in CoT, if its in that frame, then it can be a super bad ass AP:)

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Krome wrote:
Glutton wrote:
According to StormWarrior, it is Ragnarök. (Thanks Google!)
Way back in the day there was a boxed set that dealt with ending your campaign in a dramatic way. I always wanted to try it out, an apocalypse or ragnarok, that would shatter the setting.

This? (NOTE:Not a box set.)


captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Ah, our GM moved Infernal Syndrome to the end of COT and we stopped in the middle so we never got to see that far.
honestly i think they should've had you start as members of the criminal underground in CoT, if its in that frame, then it can be a super bad ass AP:)

Oh we were having fun with it =) Our GM just got a new job though and has to move, so she has no time to continue running, so that particular AP is indefinitely tabled.


Gwynneth Vanderbilt wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Ah, our GM moved Infernal Syndrome to the end of COT and we stopped in the middle so we never got to see that far.
honestly i think they should've had you start as members of the criminal underground in CoT, if its in that frame, then it can be a super bad ass AP:)
Oh we were having fun with it =) Our GM just got a new job though and has to move, so she has no time to continue running, so that particular AP is indefinitely tabled.

dont get me wrong, its a great AP but as a criminal underworld based AP it would be GREAT


Reckless wrote:
Krome wrote:
Glutton wrote:
According to StormWarrior, it is Ragnarök. (Thanks Google!)
Way back in the day there was a boxed set that dealt with ending your campaign in a dramatic way. I always wanted to try it out, an apocalypse or ragnarok, that would shatter the setting.
This? (NOTE:Not a box set.)

More likely Apocalypse by Mayfair Games, which is a boxed set designed for an AD&D campaign ending apocalypse.

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