City State of the Invincible Overlord for PF

[dafaddu]

Look what I have just found:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/judgesguild/city-state-of-the-invincib le-overlord?ref=discovery

[davrion]

link

[Bill Webb]

I am the Dwarven King!

[Unseelie]

Bill Webb wrote:

I am the Dwarven King!

*shakes fist*

[DaveMage]

I wonder how much of the writing is already in my Necromancer Games version.

[Bill Webb]

Should not be--Bob III promised no mixing of IP--it would just be messy

[Auxmaulous]

Bill Webb wrote:

I am the Dwarven King!

You don't mess around much, do you Bill?

[DaveMage]

So are things good now between JG and FGG?

[Steve Geddes]

Bill Webb wrote:

I am the Dwarven King!

Curse you, Webb! >(

[brvheart]

Not sure I would call it that. I am saving my money for the new Frog God Stuff. I have enough JG stuff from when JG was really JG. Wish them luck though.

[limsk]

Pledged!

[Drejk]

Wilderlands of high fantasy at $150K? The most interesting part the hardest to get? Meh.

Kickstarter does not seem to support PayPal payments anyway. *shrug*

[ShadowcatX]

Seems a bit of a pyramid scheme, you have to pledge additional monies to get any of the stretch goals once they are unlocked (up until the very last 2 stretch goals, which you can get as a pdf free). Bleh.

[brvheart]

I would be interested to see whether they actually got someone who knows how to do Pathfinder stat blocks or whether they intend to do one liners as was stated at one time in one of the forums.

[Bill Webb]

I am not sure but do not really care. I am a rabid JG collector. Of all the old rare stuff I have, my whole family knows "in case of emergency/fire etc,) grab the one sealed box marked "old jg".

[DaveMage]

brvheart wrote:

I would be interested to see whether they actually got someone who knows how to do Pathfinder stat blocks or whether they intend to do one liners as was stated at one time in one of the forums.

By "one liners", do you mean stat blocks that say something like:

Winston (hm F7)? (Where hm F7 means human male, fighter level 7)

[brvheart]

I had several of those boxes too Bill, or I did until the wife decided to unpack them and put them on the shelf!

[Changing Man]

I went ahead and backed, since I lost all my JG stuff some years back in a flood. Just seeing the cover again on the KS page brought back memories... But I agree, paying extra for unlocked stretch goals strikes me as an odd non-motivator.

[Skeeter Green]

DaveMage wrote:

So are things good now between JG and FGG?

I would call it "better" lol

[Bill Webb]

For the record. I have no issues with Bob II or III at all

[silverhair2008]

I agree with the sentiment that having to pledge more money to get the stretch goals does seem rather strange. I will just have to be satisfied with what comes from my initial pledge.

[brvheart]

Skeeter Green wrote:

DaveMage wrote:

So are things good now between JG and FGG?

I would call it "better" lol

Glad to hear.

[Skeeter Green]

To be completely fair about this Kickstarter, they are doing it the way Kickstarter intend things to be run. They are building up their company, so yeah, things are going to be expensive. It's extremely hard to build a company up to the print process, and they have one(?) other book that has come out recently (more have been released, but its been a little while).

I dont mind the concept at all of them charging for adds. That shows me a business sense, and suggests they are in it for the long haul (which, could arguably be the longest haul in rpgs). It's not like they are forcing anyone to buy things, and if the KS goes well, the adds may be available later on.

I'd rather see JG get some liquid assets and keep going, than give away the farm and this is their last product.

Not harping on anyone, just giving my 2 cp. I got to go do some editing now lol

Skeeter

[silverhair2008]

Thanks Skeeter for the response. I said something because I had never run across that practice before. I don't mind paying for the add-ons either. It was just a first time for me.

Was it JG who produced the Traveler T20 campaign setting? I wish that had worked. I played in a demo of it when it first came out.

[Thanael]

So at 150k they convert Wilderlands? Or do you get the 3.5 version PDF?

[Bill Webb]

The IP of the 3.5 stuff is mixed--they cannot use it and we cannot use it. I cannot even give permission for that, nor can they. Lots of players involved.

[brvheart]

So all the work that was done can't ever be used again? Sad:( As I said, I wish them good luck and it appears they should not have an issue at least funding.

[mach1.9pants]

Yeah I am a biiiiiiiiig fan of the NG JG stuff. I only have PDFs I have picked up of the older stuff, I don't think much physical made it to NZ! So any JG stuff that I can get over here is a bonus.

For those who don't know JG have released an updated/cleaned up Caverns of Thracia, and it is an excellent PDF.

[brvheart]

We released three through Goodman games also mach1.9pants.

[mach1.9pants]

Yeah I have got those, JG 1, 2, and 3. Nice they are too :D

[DaveMage]

I still hold out hope that one day we'll see Melan's version of Tegal Manor. :)

[brvheart]

mach1.9pants wrote:

Yeah I have got those, JG 1, 2, and 3. Nice they are too :D

Thanks:) We did our best!

[Unseelie]

Not having gone and dug around in the message boards here, has anyone (or anyones) done the grand tactical hex treatment for any locations in Golarion (oh, like the River Kingdoms, perhaps)?

[brvheart]

Well, I broke down and joined the Black Lotus. Would have preferred White, but can't complain.

[Shem]

I was too late to the party to edge Bill out....

But I am in for $250.00. Who needs book number one anyway...

[Thanael]

brvheart wrote:

So all the work that was done can't ever be used again? Sad:( As I said, I wish them good luck and it appears they should not have an issue at least funding.

Well the 3.5 Wilderlands of High Fantasy boxed set is still very usable even with PF. Iirc they mainly used one line statblocks for NPCs...

Spoiler:

I have one to sell btw...

[Thanael]

Bill Webb wrote:

The IP of the 3.5 stuff is mixed--they cannot use it and we cannot use it. I cannot even give permission for that, nor can they. Lots of players involved.

I'm a little unfamiliar with the old JG Wilderlands stuff. What was used for the 3.5 box?

Also I find the kickstarter description frustrating. For me it's totally unclear what the PF products will be, i.e. what products will be converted and what kind of content the books will have.

[Snoring Rock]

Bob III has been working very hard to make things happen. The stats will in fact be Pathfinder, but I would assume shortened for the most part. You have the choice of JG Universal format or Pathfinder. And, if you are a Tegel Manor fan, keep the faith. That could very well happen.

[Can'tFindthePath]

Hey all,

I just wanted to bump this back up into line of sight. There are only 8 days left, and while they have met their publishing goal, there are a lot of cool maps to unlock with stretch goals.

The OP has the link, please take a look!

Thanks.

[Changing Man]

Am I still understanding this correctly, that the Wilderlands add-ons will only become available if the stretch goal is reached? And the same for the mini add-ons? I kinda got lost digging through the updates...

[Snoring Rock]

Bill Webb wrote:

I am the Dwarven King!

Considering everything, that is very good of you. Wish you guys could work together on projects like this. Hail King of Thunderhold!

[Snoring Rock]

On the subject of Judges Guild and the Wilderlands, I will be running a Pathfinder adventure based on the Dwarven King taking his home back from the great red wyrm, Analegorn and his young, at GenCon 2014. Look for it!

[rbledsaw3]

brvheart wrote:

I would be interested to see whether they actually got someone who knows how to do Pathfinder stat blocks or whether they intend to do one liners as was stated at one time in one of the forums.

A bit confused by this one. I don't recall anyone ever talking about doing "one-liner" stats for Pathfinder. Especially since we really were not interested in Pathfinder until July of last year.

[rbledsaw3]

Thanael wrote:

Bill Webb wrote:

The IP of the 3.5 stuff is mixed--they cannot use it and we cannot use it. I cannot even give permission for that, nor can they. Lots of players involved.

I'm a little unfamiliar with the old JG Wilderlands stuff. What was used for the 3.5 box?

Also I find the kickstarter description frustrating. For me it's totally unclear what the PF products will be, i.e. what products will be converted and what kind of content the books will have.

The 3.5 version done by Necromancer and JG was built off of the original products of Guide to the City State of the Invincible Overlord and Wrath Overlord. It was a huge collaboration effort between a lot of different parties, which is why this stuff is not feasibly usable.

As for what the PF products will be, this is from the Book Section on the Kickstarter:

City State Kickstarter wrote:

City State of the Invincible Overlord will be written in both JG Universal and the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. You'll be given an opportunity to choose which version you want after the project is funded. The book will contain the following material:

• 350+ shops, inns, taverns, temples, marketplaces, etc. for the City State itself
  
• Information for exploring the sewers of the City State from Wraith Overlord
  
• Background and descriptions for Thunderhold, the dwarven citadel
  
• Background and descriptions for Modron, the city of the River Goddess

• A total of 4 large format maps!
  
• A 17" x 22" Player's map for the City State and the sewers below on the reverse side
  
• A 17" x 22" Judge's map for the City State and the sewers below on the reverse side
  
• A 17" x 22" Player's map for Thunderhold and Modron on the reverse side
  
• A 17" x 22" Judge's map for Thunderhold and Modron on the reverse side

That makes this version of the City State a compilation of 4 of our past products! This version of the City State of the Invincible Overlord is going to include expanded content. We've used the original City State of the Invincible Overlord, Wraith Overlord, Thunderhold, and Modron as a framework. Then we've expanded on that framework in a way that does not take away from that original Judges Guild sandbox feel. It has really helped fill the gaps to make the presentation and flow of the product more natural.

[Bill Webb]

They are using our printer guys--the binding quality will be bomber. Even if you don't use JG in your game, this one is a piece of history that should not be missed.

Anyone unfamiliar with what the City State is should google it up--I cannot do it justice, and I own every product ever made by JG. It was the first city ever made for the game.

JG was making whole cities while TSR was making short modules back in the day.

Wraith Overlord is the sewers and dungeons below the city (a must have), and Thunderhold and Modron are two closely related smaller cities that create an entire network area around the main city itself.

The maps are Tolkienesque, and are perhaps the coolest world maps I have ever seen.

I pledge to a lot of kickstarters to help support my fellow publishers--but I went big on this one for a reason. FGG strongly endorses this effort.

Bob--make sure your pathfinder converters know it a heck of a lot better than me! I have 3 people who do that for me. I cannot imagine how big those stat blocks will be.

[Dark Sasha]

Those dwarven minis look amazing! I hope it reaches that stretch goal.

[R_Chance]

Bill Webb wrote:

They are using our printer guys--the binding quality will be bomber. Even if you don't use JG in your game, this one is a piece of history that should not be missed.

Anyone unfamiliar with what the City State is should google it up--I cannot do it justice, and I own every product ever made by JG. It was the first city ever made for the game.

JG was making whole cities while TSR was making short modules back in the day.

I have the original. It was THE city for a long time in more ways than one, with a huge influence on succeeding products from other publishers. I never used it in my game, but my own cities have always been done in the same style and the idea of how a city should be done / run is there... definitely a great product back in the day. If you want a city that is more than a shopping venue this is great stuff.

[Auxmaulous]

Well, I'm in.

I have some old JG material from back in the day but my primary reason was just to support JG in their effort to bring back CSotIO with as much material as possible. I saw them supporting the Metamorphosis Alpha KS (which is burning through their goals right now) and the support that FGG and JG have show to each other has softened my otherwise burnt out, cinder of a heart.

I know times are tough, but these are "our" games. We get the resources that we support and help to flourish. I often complain about the state of options in the realm of rpg land - so here's our chance to make a difference.

I doubt that there will be another CSotIO for PF anytime in the future -(maybe a 2nd ed PF) or Lost City of Barakus for that matter - I would love to see these projects come out as strong as possible for the time the will evetually see release with the best potential final record: The finished book.

Anyway

[Can'tFindthePath]

Auxmaulous wrote:

Well, I'm in.

I have some old JG material from back in the day but my primary reason was just to support JG in their effort to bring back CSotIO with as much material as possible. I saw them supporting the Metamorphosis Alpha KS (which is burning through their goals right now) and the support that FGG and JG have show to each other has softened my otherwise burnt out, cinder of a heart.

I know times are tough, but these are "our" games. We get the resources that we support and help to flourish. I often complain about the state of options in the realm of rpg land - so here's our chance to make a difference.

I doubt that there will be another CSotIO for PF anytime in the future -(maybe a 2nd ed PF) or Lost City of Barakus for that matter - I would love to see these projects come out as strong as possible for the time the will evetually see release with the best potential final record: The finished book.

Anyway

Well said Aux,

There are only 40 hours to go...

[brvheart]

I was in for $250, but had to downgrade to $40. Broke at the moment and too many kickstarters. At least I will get the softcover. I really don't need another set of maps anyway.