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I think Dreamscarred Press' "Path of War" is pretty darned nifty.


I don't like the fireball spell, I prefer lightning bolt.
I hate when players stop mid game or hold up a game because Star Trek is on ( this happened to me as a player. I only stayed for one session.)
I hate Star Trek

That's it before I suffer fron an anurism.


Freehold DM wrote:
TOZ wrote:
137ben wrote:
Especially the whole section on traits.
*fistbump*
not a huge fan of traits myself. The complaints many have about archetypes I find traits more than a bit guilty of.

I've never used them myself. I'm willing to let a player switch class skills around if doing so makes sense for the character, and nothing else from traits seems needed to me.


Scythia wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
TOZ wrote:
137ben wrote:
Especially the whole section on traits.
*fistbump*
not a huge fan of traits myself. The complaints many have about archetypes I find traits more than a bit guilty of.
I've never used them myself. I'm willing to let a player switch class skills around if doing so makes sense for the character, and nothing else from traits seems needed to me.

I also like the X stat to Y skill traits. Int to Intimidate/Bluff, Wis to Acrobatics, and so on.

There are actually a bunch of neat ones among the garbage, boring (Reactionary), and way too good (Fate's Favored).


Fast Drinker makes potions sort of worth bothering with.


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Rynjin wrote:
Scythia wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
TOZ wrote:
137ben wrote:
Especially the whole section on traits.
*fistbump*
not a huge fan of traits myself. The complaints many have about archetypes I find traits more than a bit guilty of.
I've never used them myself. I'm willing to let a player switch class skills around if doing so makes sense for the character, and nothing else from traits seems needed to me.

I also like the X stat to Y skill traits. Int to Intimidate/Bluff, Wis to Acrobatics, and so on.

There are actually a bunch of neat ones among the garbage, boring (Reactionary), and way too good (Fate's Favored).

I'd like them more if all but one weren't using intelligence for a charisma skill...and one wisdom skill.


I consider myself a rules lawyer (or maybe a rules advocate, since I generally know how to back down when the GM says no).

Thorazeen wrote:
I hate Star Trek

I have never even seen Star Trek.

Many Monty Python references fly right past me, and when their very last show was being shown live in movie theatres I told my friend no thanks when she had an extra ticket and offered for me to come with her.


Is there a reason you haven't seen Star Trek?


Not really, no. It's not something I've ever encountered on Danish TV, and I never sought it out on my own.


Thorazeen wrote:
I hate when players stop mid game or hold up a game because Star Trek is on...

We used to do this constantly.


137ben wrote:
Orthos wrote:


It's probably as simple as "Paizo's community is getting too big for me".
Did you at least ban the person on the forum you admid who called you forum-Hitler?

Hah!

Yes, we eventually did, when we discovered he was trying to rabble-rouse players against the staff via private messages in-game (a discovery that came, rather ironically, when he mis-sent one of said messages to the fiancee of one of the DMs he was rabbling against most), passive-aggressive forum trolling, and just generally being a dick.

Silver Crusade

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Goth Guru wrote:
Posts that have been removed are rare and I'm usually glad I didn't have to read them.

When the mods say that they removed posts, it make me really, really, really want to know exactly what was said that was so offensive!

Is it just me?


No, I wonder what it is, too.

Scarab Sages

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Bomanz wrote:

I think PFS and other living games are ruining the hobby. I dont like a bajillion different players and bringing the hobby to the masses...its degrading the quality role player pool until its naught but a puddle. I yearn for the days of closeted gamers huddled over thac0 charts and actually being required to have a modicum of intelligence to "get" the game. Most new players I find to be stupid and vapid.

While I'm not sure Pathfinder Society is to blame for this, I otherwise want to give you a medal. RPGS are NOT "casual gaming," and they are not for everyone. Playing RPGs are like playing the blues; it's not enough to play the game, you have to know why the game needs to be played.

On a similar note, I maintain that if you're not interested in playing all parts of the game and viewing them as an inseparable whole to boot, then that's not "your personal playstyle," that's not knowing how to play the game. Make an effort to learn - if you're serious, you'll be glad you did.

I ABHOR this "church of gaming" with its hivemind ethos and language (I never want to hear the word "flavor" applied to anything besides toothpaste and ice cream) and want it to. Go. Away.

Oh, yeah, and the concept of "optimization" sounded like a crock to me from the get-go, and I never bought people's complaints about Fighters, Rogues, and especially not Monks (I've got one of those, and she rocks).


What about pies, cakes, filet mignon! Can we say those have flavor....

WHY DO YOU HATE FLAVORED ROGUES SO MUCH!!

Won't somebody think about poor Rucker Graul... poor little guy... so hungry... it's been days since he's had a tasty Rogue or even a scrap of Wizard... just look at him, having to get by on Rabbit and veggies....

Scarab Sages

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captain yesterday wrote:

What about pies, cakes, filet mignon! Can we say those have flavor....

WHY DO YOU HATE FLAVOR SO MUCH!!

Because the game belongs in your head, not in your mouth.


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

What about pies, cakes, filet mignon! Can we say those have flavor....

WHY DO YOU HATE FLAVOR SO MUCH!!

Because the game belongs in your head, not in your mouth.

That's what she said! :-)


Also I do agree with you, just cracking jokes :-) the Young lad is surprisingly playing by himself :-)


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I don't believe any class is over or underpowered. It depends on the player and how they build their character.


I love Star Trek and Star Wars.

What I don't like is Enterprise. The whole friggin series was riddled with events that never happened due to time travel. It wasn't good time travel either. You know why Q didn't like humans? Because he got stuck sorting out the 9 or more timelines, most of which could not be thrown away because so many people and things jumped back and forth between them. He had to find the point of last interaction before he could stop each one.

I'm not fond of JarJar Binks. We didn't need a Science Fiction version of a Kender.

Grand Lodge

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I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Bomanz wrote:

I think PFS and other living games are ruining the hobby. I dont like a bajillion different players and bringing the hobby to the masses...its degrading the quality role player pool until its naught but a puddle. I yearn for the days of closeted gamers huddled over thac0 charts and actually being required to have a modicum of intelligence to "get" the game. Most new players I find to be stupid and vapid.

While I'm not sure Pathfinder Society is to blame for this, I otherwise want to give you a medal. RPGS are NOT "casual gaming," and they are not for everyone. Playing RPGs are like playing the blues; it's not enough to play the game, you have to know why the game needs to be played.

Well, this gave me something to add to the thread.

I don't find playing games to be some elite club with barriers to entry.

Grand Lodge

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Goth Guru wrote:

I love Star Trek and Star Wars.

What I don't like is Enterprise. The whole friggin series was riddled with events that never happened due to time travel. It wasn't good time travel either. You know why Q didn't like humans? Because he got stuck sorting out the 9 or more timelines, most of which could not be thrown away because so many people and things jumped back and forth between them. He had to find the point of last interaction before he could stop each one.

I'm not fond of JarJar Binks. We didn't need a Science Fiction version of a Kender.

Enterprise had it's moments in it's later seasons when the writers weren't so busy foreshadowing the future or trying to resolve some time travel plot. After TNG devoted itself to a Klingon love fest, and DS9's obsession with the new alien Empire of the week, Enterprise actually gave us a look at the Federation itself, in the form of our first real look at Earth's initial partners in forming this union, Vulcan, Andoria, and Tellar, as well as Earth itself. When the series kept itself focused in it's present, it churned out it it's best character driven episodes.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Bomanz wrote:
I think PFS and other living games are ruining the hobby. I dont like a bajillion different players and bringing the hobby to the masses...its degrading the quality role player pool until its naught but a puddle. I yearn for the days of closeted gamers huddled over thac0 charts and actually being required to have a modicum of intelligence to "get" the game. Most new players I find to be stupid and vapid.
While I'm not sure Pathfinder Society is to blame for this, I otherwise want to give you a medal. RPGS are NOT "casual gaming," and they are not for everyone. Playing RPGs are like playing the blues; it's not enough to play the game, you have to know why the game needs to be played.

Well, this gave me something to add to the thread.

I don't find playing games to be some elite club with barriers to entry.

Yeah, very much this.

I've had great times in some very intense role-playing sessions. I've had fun in some high stakes tactical combat games. I've had fun in casual beer and pretzels games where it was as much socializing and old jokes as anything serious.

I'm not worried about the quality of the role-player pool. More players means more people who might be people I want to play with.


Two years ago I posted that "psychic magic" would have no place in my games because I liked the Dreamscarred Press psionics. Now, after the playtest and the feedback I've read, I've changed my mind and look forward to Occult Adventures coming out this summer. Now, having said that, I still love psionics.


Anarchy_Kanya wrote:
I love the alignment system.

I am also very much in favour and don't understand all the fuss.

For years and across multiple editions it has been clear on what each alignment represents and how you "get" there and what it entails & involves.

Of course I was raised reading AD&D books, it is how I learned most of my vocab, so reading the alignment sections and grasping them wasn't hard - I had years to do it (another friend is in a similar boat, Gygax & Arneson basically being his English teachers).

I support alignment change, both from the player initiating it in game and the dm saying "okay, that is enough chaotic evil acts for you to become chaotic evil. Congratulations."

Pathfinder has some real strengths but missed some great opportunities - you see it in some classes being different and more cooler than in 3.5, whereas others got far less attention and were not groundbreaking.

The hit die changes were a bad call.

Pathfinder is too slow and clunky as a system.

Trip, sunder and disarm is better, more varied and cool in 3.5.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Two years ago I posted that "psychic magic" would have no place in my games because I liked the Dreamscarred Press psionics. Now, after the playtest and the feedback I've read, I've changed my mind and look forward to Occult Adventures coming out this summer. Now, having said that, I still love psionics.

But there's basically nothing "psychic" about it. It's just magic. They're no different than any other spellcaster released.


How do you see alignment?

I find it less than clear and rely a bit on what is implied, the text seems on bordering self contradictory.

You can PM me about it if you want.


I think the Bard is the most absurd class ever.

I can't get over the fact that the major feature of the class is "performing" in the middle of combat. I've had many very intelligent posters explain how it makes sense, but I just can't get on board. They are silly to me, and beloved by many. I confess, I hate the Bard! :)


Rynjin wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Two years ago I posted that "psychic magic" would have no place in my games because I liked the Dreamscarred Press psionics. Now, after the playtest and the feedback I've read, I've changed my mind and look forward to Occult Adventures coming out this summer. Now, having said that, I still love psionics.
But there's basically nothing "psychic" about it. It's just magic. They're no different than any other spellcaster released.

Probably one of the reasons I'm looking forward to it.


kyrt-ryder wrote:
Double Dipping FAQ?

This one. Ability bonuses are their own sources, I guess.


Joe Hex wrote:

I think the Bard is the most absurd class ever.

I can't get over the fact that the major feature of the class is "performing" in the middle of combat. I've had many very intelligent posters explain how it makes sense, but I just can't get on board. They are silly to me, and beloved by many. I confess, I hate the Bard! :)

I think it depends on what you are performing. Try oratory while remembering the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket. Much more sense than singing. Or read drowtales for a neat idea of spellsongs.


GM DarkLightHitomi wrote:
Joe Hex wrote:

I think the Bard is the most absurd class ever.

I can't get over the fact that the major feature of the class is "performing" in the middle of combat. I've had many very intelligent posters explain how it makes sense, but I just can't get on board. They are silly to me, and beloved by many. I confess, I hate the Bard! :)

I think it depends on what you are performing. Try oratory while remembering the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket. Much more sense than singing. Or read drowtales for a neat idea of spellsongs.

Or any sports montage ever...


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What I think of is "Eye of the Tiger" in the background, and the rest of the party wanting the Bard dead, more than the enemy.


Musicians in armies have been a thing for a very long time. Reasons being humans have such fluctuating morale and we are easily emotionally affected.


DM Under The Bridge wrote:
Musicians in armies have been a thing, for a very long time. One reason being humans have such fluctuating morale and we are easily emotionally affected.

But a group of four or five PCs, is not an army. If it's song, dance, or oratory, it is ridiculous in the middle of combat. I'd be pissed if a member of my party was reciting poetry while I was chopping off heads. I think it's dumb that the poetry made my balls bigger in combat, and gave me buffs that are purely based on mechanics - it's silly.

It's fine if the Bard's performance had some influence on a crowd in a tavern- that makes sense.

But... that's just my confession- I hate the Bard- I get that many don't agree. In this case I am the odd-one! :) The Bard is SILLY to me.

Scarab Sages

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TriOmegaZero wrote:

Well, this gave me something to add to the thread.

I don't find playing games to be some elite club with barriers to entry.

I'm sick of this line. It's not about that - it's about people who don't get creative play and aren't willing to learn bogging ruining the game for those of us who do. It's something we've seen over the course of the past decade or so, much as we wish it weren't true. Silly example: If you love real - as opposed to Americanized - Chinese food, but then everyone stops making real Chinese food and just makes Americanized Chinese food instead because that's what makes money, and then people start claiming to be Chinese food enthusiasts when all they know is Mr. Chow's, and get upset at you because you don't consider them your equal when it comes to appreciating Chinese food, how would that make you feel?

"Elite" is a good thing - it's something to aspire to, not to tear down. It's a question of where your potential as an elite lies. You can enjoy things you're not "elite" at, but you have to respect the true masters, just as they do when the tables are reversed. You must have an open mind and recognize that we can all perceive various things others can't, and just because others can't see them gives them no right to take them away from those who can. The quality of a pursuit is inversely proportional to the quantity of people with the talent to fully realize that pursuit. I guarantee you there's something you excel at that can make you relate - you just may not have had the experience of watching it taken away from you by people who don't understand what you understand. What kind of dystopia would the world be if all we had was the lowest common denominator version of everything?


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Joe Hex wrote:
DM Under The Bridge wrote:
Musicians in armies have been a thing, for a very long time. One reason being humans have such fluctuating morale and we are easily emotionally affected.

But a group of four or five PCs, is not an army. If it's song, dance, or oratory, it is ridiculous in the middle of combat. I'd be pissed if a member of my party was reciting poetry while I was chopping off heads. I think it's dumb that the poetry made my balls bigger in combat, and gave me buffs that are purely based on mechanics - it's silly.

It's fine if the Bard's performance had some influence on a crowd in a tavern- that makes sense.

But... that's just my confession- I hate the Bard- I get that many don't agree. In this case I am the odd-one! :) The Bard is SILLY to me.

It's silly to you because you insist on A.) Ignoring the mechanics of the thing and B.) Choosing intentionally silly examples. You did this in that bigass thread you made about it a while back too.

The Bard is not "reciting poetry while you're chopping off heads", he is reciting poetry (or making a speech, or humming a tune, or doing interpretive dance or whatever you pick) that he infuses with a magical, mind affecting enchantment power that makes you kick ass harder, and (unless he feels like being lazy for some reason) probably jabbing someone with a Rapier or firing at him with a shortbow simultaneously.

Inspire Courage is basically just a Heroism spell (which you don't have a problem with, I imagine) that the Bard can maintain only while doing something audible and/or visible (which, since a Performance isn't even strictly necessary, can actually just boil down to timely advice in combat. "His guard is weak under his left armpit!", "She twitches her left eye every time she attacks!" or some such), that also stacks with Heroism since it actually makes you more competent rather than more confident (the attack damage bonus is, contrary to common misconception, a Competence bonus, not a Morale one).

Nobody blinks an eye when an Alchemist drinks some nasty mix of who knows what and spontaneously grows muscles upon muscles, or when a Wizard causes tentacle hentai to become a very real, very painful obstacle to his enemies, but when the BARD does some magic hoodoo everybody flips out for some reason.

It's magic. That's all it is. Unless we're talking about Countersong or Distraction (which respectfully use music to counter Sonic effects, or to counter sight based effects by drawing attention to the sound/sight of the Bard instead of the sound/sight of the Siren or Medusa or whatever) NONE of the performances actually require a Perform check. There is no poetry, bad jokes, or lute music involved unless you choose to do so, at which point it is YOU who are silly, and not the ability.

Shadow Lodge

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I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
I'm sick of this line.

Deal with it. You can be a master craftsman without shutting the rest of the world out of your craft.


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I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:

Well, this gave me something to add to the thread.

I don't find playing games to be some elite club with barriers to entry.

I'm sick of this line. It's not about that - it's about people who don't get creative play and aren't willing to learn bogging ruining the game for those of us who do. It's something we've seen over the course of the past decade or so, much as we wish it weren't true. Silly example: If you love real - as opposed to Americanized - Chinese food, but then everyone stops making real Chinese food and just makes Americanized Chinese food instead because that's what makes money, and then people start claiming to be Chinese food enthusiasts when all they know is Mr. Chow's, and get upset at you because you don't consider them your equal when it comes to appreciating Chinese food, how would that make you feel?

"Elite" is a good thing - it's something to aspire to, not to tear down. It's a question of where your potential as an elite lies. You can enjoy things you're not "elite" at, but you have to respect the true masters, just as they do when the tables are reversed. The quality of a pursuit is inversely proportional to the quantity of people with the talent to fully realize that pursuit. I guarantee you there's something you excel at that can make you relate - you just may not have had the experience of watching it taken away from you by people who don't understand what you understand. What kind of dystopia would the world be if all we had was the lowest common denominator version of everything?

Being an elitist is not something to aspire to any more than you go out into your everyday life aspiring to be a dick, because they're basically synonymous.

Being called an "elitist" has not and will never be a compliment. It means you're affecting an attitude that you're better than someone else based on, at best, some perceived level of superior skill or taste.

Applying the term "elite" to something as inane as who is supposedly the "right kind" of player of a trumped up game of pretend should be clearly ridiculous to most people.

This isn't a matter of the game getting worse, or you being better than anyone else, it's a matter of you deluding yourself into THINKING you're better than everyone else because you supposedly "understand" more about how "everything should be" as far as this game of pretend goes.

You're acting like the Tabletop equivalent of those elitist Stop Having Fun Guys that plague video game communities, especially the competitive scene for fighting games, right to a tee: "the "Stop Having Fun" Guy believes that this is the only right way to play the game."

You can shout No Items, Fox Only, Final Destination all you want, and decry the "dumbing down" of the game by people who want to play it how they f&#$ing want to play it all you want, but don't act like it's the righteous thing to do.

Scarab Sages

Orthos wrote:


I hate Imagine by John Lennon. Worst song in the world.

I have to respond to this: WTF?

"Achey Breaky Heart"

Barney's "I Love You" song

"Who Let The Dogs Out?"

"MacArthur Park"

"Friday"

anything the result of an American Idol winner

some hip-hop song I was once forced to listen to where the main lyric was "I've got hos" over and over

"Worst song in the world" is a hotly contested title, and that's just not one of the contenters.

@Rynjin: I recall seeing a post of yours saying you started gaming in 2012 when you were in your early '20s, is that correct? You don't have a f$%#ing clue. You're accusing me of wanting to enjoy looking down on others - nothing could be further from the truth. I try to play with others, and find to my dismay that they can't keep up, much as I desperately want them to. I'm not trying to shut people out - other people are mistaking the parking lot for the museum, are unable to find the door for some reason I can't know, and getting mad when I insist that the important stuff's inside the building. I'm not the one saying "there's only one right way to play," you are - I'm trying to keep the majority of possibilities I see open, when I see them being closed by the pressure of a cultural hivemind that I've watched emerge and make gaming less fun, all to this supposed drumbeat of "THERE'S NO WRONG WAY TO HAVE FUN!" It's a complete strawman. How about you consider, even for a moment, that there's something we're seeing that you don't, rather than wrongfully presuming the moral high ground?


I have a bard that uses oratory to say inspiring thigs, like seen in the movies sometimes, "We've got them on the ropes! Spill their blood mates! We eat well tonight! Kill the orc scum!" just as a few examples. Would you really get angry at someone for that while they help you chop off heads?

The thing I've found is that the rules are more fluid than most like to think, and How we use, and think about, the rules can have an even a bigger effect on the enjoyment of the game than the rules mechanics themselves.


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Orthos wrote:


I hate Imagine by John Lennon. Worst song in the world.

WTF?

"Achey Breaky Heart"

Barney's "I Love You" song

"Who Let The Dogs Out?"

"MacArthur Park"

"Friday"

anything the result of an American Idol winner

some hip-hop song I was once forced to listen to where the main lyric was "I've got hos" over and over

"Worst song in the world" is a hotly contested title, and that's just not one of the contenters.

I'm just gonna leave this here.


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There is a difference between being an elite, and being an elitist. The latter shoves everyone's face in the fact they are inferior in some way. An elite is just someone who is a master at something, and may or may not also be an elitist.

Aspire to be an elite, but not to be an elitist.

And there may be those who enjoy the common dumbed down fare, but at least some of those are content because they don't know anything better. Not all of course, but some.

There are people who take pride in doing their craft well and right, and those who don't. RPing is a craft, even if it's sole purpose is to be enjoyed. Any craftsmen should be made aware of the craft they perform to recognize what the craft can be, what it can't be, and the various methods and the various distinctions. If, upon being well informed, they still desire to stick with a particular method, then so be it, but at least they will then know better how to discuss it and to understand those of a different desire.

It is also most helpful to be able to talk to folks and have a better understanding of what everyone expects from the game.

A metaphore would be a man who claims beer is the best alcohol in the world despite having never heard of, nor tasted wine, whiskey, rum, vodka, or the slew of other alcohols out there. Worse still is a man who would scoff at the existance of these other options and ignore them despite never knowing them, and still claim that beer is best. Such a man should not garner respect for his claim. However, a man that knows these options, understands them, tastes them, and yet still believes beer is best, then his claim should be respected, because at least he acknowledges and understands the options, and can discuss the issue with others and actually have knowledge or experience in what he says.


Very nice it is to know what will be played, and how, and what should be expected before actually sitting down and playing.

I hate starting a game, only to find that everyone else is incompatible.

Scarab Sages

Thank you very much - you said it so much better than I did. I am NOT, and never was, an elitist, and being defamed for trying to share all that I can see with others is just about the most heartwrenching thing in the world for me.

The Exchange

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I am getting pretty tired of Pathfinder Society and I think it's best days are behind it.

Also I love the Iron Gods AP and its by far one of my favorite things to happen to Pathfinder, that of course with the Technology Guide. I only wish they had more supplements to compliment it.


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Rynjin wrote:
Joe Hex wrote:
DM Under The Bridge wrote:
Musicians in armies have been a thing, for a very long time. One reason being humans have such fluctuating morale and we are easily emotionally affected.

But a group of four or five PCs, is not an army. If it's song, dance, or oratory, it is ridiculous in the middle of combat. I'd be pissed if a member of my party was reciting poetry while I was chopping off heads. I think it's dumb that the poetry made my balls bigger in combat, and gave me buffs that are purely based on mechanics - it's silly.

It's fine if the Bard's performance had some influence on a crowd in a tavern- that makes sense.

But... that's just my confession- I hate the Bard- I get that many don't agree. In this case I am the odd-one! :) The Bard is SILLY to me.

It's silly to you because you insist on A.) Ignoring the mechanics of the thing and B.) Choosing intentionally silly examples. You did this in that bigass thread you made about it a while back too.

The Bard is not "reciting poetry while you're chopping off heads", he is reciting poetry (or making a speech, or humming a tune, or doing interpretive dance or whatever you pick) that he infuses with a magical, mind affecting enchantment power that makes you kick ass harder, and (unless he feels like being lazy for some reason) probably jabbing someone with a Rapier or firing at him with a shortbow simultaneously.

Inspire Courage is basically just a Heroism spell (which you don't have a problem with, I imagine) that the Bard can maintain only while doing something audible and/or visible (which, since a Performance isn't even strictly necessary, can actually just boil down to timely advice in combat. "His guard is weak under his left armpit!", "She twitches her left eye every time she attacks!" or some such), that also stacks with Heroism since it actually makes you more competent rather than more confident (the attack damage bonus is, contrary to common misconception, a Competence bonus, not a Morale one)....

C'mon man! I posted it here because I thought this was the thread you state things the other members think you're wrong about!

I understand that I'm out of the mainstream on my Bard opinion. I'm not trying to reinforce that I'm right. I'm just rolling with the theme of the thread.
How was that old thread "bigass"? I just don't like the Bard. I'm entitled to my opinion. In this case, I get that I'm not in the majority. I was prepared to be "shunned", but I thought this thread was just for fun... So please unclench.


Joe Hex wrote:

C'mon man! I posted it here because I thought this was the thread you state things the other members think you're wrong about!

I understand that I'm out of the mainstream on my Bard opinion. I'm not trying to reinforce that I'm right. I'm just rolling with the theme of the thread.
How was that old thread "bigass"? I just don't like the Bard. I'm entitled to my opinion. In this case, I get that I'm not in the majority. I was prepared to be "shunned", but I thought this thread was just for fun... So please unclench.

Hm, I may have confused you with someone else. I remember reading your thread from a year ago and connecting "Thinks Bards are stupid" with your name, but the one I was thinking of was like a 5000 word dissertation on why the Bard is a stupid class that never should have existed.

GM DarkLightHitomi wrote:
There is a difference between being an elite, and being an elitist. The latter shoves everyone's face in the fact they are inferior in some way. An elite is just someone who is a master at something, and may or may not also be an elitist.

I'm aware of this distinction, and I still stand by what I said about IHIYC.

Him and a few others around here have gotten it into their heads that the way they play is both the best way, and the only CORRECT way to play, and anybody who plays differently is actively contributing to the slow torturous death of the RPG.

That is being an elitist, in the politest terms.

Scarab Sages

Rynjin wrote:

I'm aware of this distinction, and I still stand by what I said about IHIYC.

Him and a few others around here have gotten it into their heads that the way they play is both the best way, and the only CORRECT way to play, and anybody who plays differently is actively contributing to the slow torturous death of the RPG.

That is being an elitist, in the politest terms.

That's 100% false, and I even bothered to say so.

Here's an idea: Why don't you read the WHOLE of what I say, and try to understand it in a new and different way that recognizes that it comes from a mind that works differently from yours, and might actually expand your mind, rather than just the few parts and narrow interpretations that corroborate your prejudices? Remember when I called you closed-minded? This is the kind of crap I'm talking about.

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