Can a Skirnir enchant thier shield and weapon with one swift action?


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Ultimate Combat wrote:

At 1st level, a skirnir can use his arcane pool to grant an enhancement bonus to a weapon as normal, as well as to his shield, paying the arcane pool cost separately for each.

Ultimate Magic wrote:
At 1st level, a magus can expend 1 point from his arcane pool as a swift action to grant any weapon he is holding a +1 enhancement bonus for 1 minute.

So for vanilla magus' activating your arcane pool on your weapon is a swift action.

Can a Skirnir activate their arcane pool on both their weapon and their shield with the same swift action or would if take two separate swift actions?

The text speaks to paying arcane pool points for both but not to doubling up on actions. The term "as well" could be taken to mean they both use the same action or it could simply be meant to mean that you can have both running at the same time. I legitimately can't tell.

Can anyone shed some light?

- Torger


One time bump in the hopes that somebody has an opinion on the matter.

- Torger


I don't know, to be honest. It's a good question.

My inclination is that the skirnir replacement rule doesn't say anything about what kind of action is used and it also seems to treat it as two separate things (for example, if it were one thing, it would say "grant a bonus to a weapon and a shield", but by separating them they way they did, semantically, it seems to be two separate things) which also requires paying the cost separately too. Based on all of this, and that the original Magus rule is one swift action for one effect, it seems like the replacement rule is two swift actions for two separate effects.

But that's all just my interpretation.


DM_Blake wrote:

I don't know, to be honest. It's a good question.

My inclination is that the skirnir replacement rule doesn't say anything about what kind of action is used and it also seems to treat it as two separate things (for example, if it were one thing, it would say "grant a bonus to a weapon and a shield", but by separating them they way they did, semantically, it seems to be two separate things) which also requires paying the cost separately too. Based on all of this, and that the original Magus rule is one swift action for one effect, it seems like the replacement rule is two swift actions for two separate effects.

But that's all just my interpretation.

It's good just to hear that someone else recognizes the ambiguity.

Your ruling seems perfectly reasonable.

It's just I can see the intent going either way. Especially since the Skirnir ability is a tack on to an ability written elsewhere.

Anybody else want to chime in?

- Torger

Lantern Lodge

Going to Necro (working on the Skirnir portion of a guide here)

Anyone else have any more thoughts on this?

Arcane Pool wrote:
At 1st level, a skirnir can use his arcane pool to grant an enhancement bonus to a weapon as normal, as well as to his shield, paying the arcane pool cost separately for each. At 5th level and above, he can also add the following shield special abilities: animated, arrow catching, arrow deflection, bashing, blinding, fortification (any), reflecting, spell resistance (any).

Should this really take two swift actions, one to enchant his shield, and one to enchant his weapon? Or would it be one combined swift action that costs two arcane pool points?


As you have to pay for them separately I suppose it was meant to be two diferent swift actions, but it is hard to tell.

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