You don't reboot Wonder Woman.....She gives you the boot!
Surely a WW movie could be excellent because you don't have to do a background story, she just is.
These are her powers, this is her attitude, this is the nemesis....etc.
Of course, to create a new comic series you have to build upon the past & interweave it into a coherent narrative - but it could work for a movie.
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Surely a WW movie could be excellent because you don't have to do a background story, she just is.
These are her powers, this is her attitude, this is the nemesis....etc.
Of course, to create a new comic series you have to build upon the past & interweave it into a coherent narrative - but it could work for a movie.
Except so many superhero movies have been little more than an origin story. It seems to be what they want to do. An origin, maybe a further development featuring a classic foe, then we reboot the series. Maybe a third movie wrapping up a standard 3 act story arc.
Sure, they could just have Wonder Woman around in Man's World fighting bad guys, but far more likely they'll cover Paradise Island and some kind of origin for why she's the most powerful of the Amazons and then why she left. And they probably should. There's just as much to introduce for Wonder Woman as any other superhero - pretty much whichever take on her you want to use.
Hey, she might be the perfect comic book movie character after all - you can have a whole series just telling different versions of her origin story.
Pretty sure that definition means Donna Troy is the perfect movie superhero, followed closely by Power Girl and Hawkman.
Well Wonder Woman is turning up in Dawn of Justice and is having her solo outing as well. Snippets of that show her fighting nazis so I presume she is immortal. I presume DC will have some kind of link up whether this will be a reboot who knows
I really think anyone wanting to make a film with Wonder Woman in it should be forced to watch the direct to video animated movie from a few years back - it was really good and kept most of the classic elements.Well Wonder Woman is turning up in Dawn of Justice and is having her solo outing as well. Snippets of that show her fighting nazis so I presume she is immortal. I presume DC will have some kind of link up whether this will be a reboot who knowsThat isn't Wonder Woman. It is Jim Lee's Zealot reskinned. When you have the strength of a Kryptonian, and can rip almost anything in the universe apart with your bare hands, what do you need a sword for? Swords are for killing, and are the antithesis of Wonder Woman's purpose.
That alone is reason for me to not watch any movie in the DCCU. (And yes I know they don't call it 'cinematic', I'm not using 'expanded' for a universe that isn't.)
Gotta agree with this. I thought they absolutely nailed every aspect of WW I thought was important. Strength level, attitude.. jet... they really did a great job with that movie.
Nor, would I say has she has "Superman's powers" other than in the most generic of senses. She's really strong. She sometimes flies, sometimes relies on a jet. She's not as invulnerable - thus the bullets and bracelets thing, rather than letting them bounce of her eyeballs like Superman. She's rarely been shown with actual super-speed. Nor does she have all the weird senses and other odd powers (super-breath?).
I agree with the first part. Marston's influence is so far removed at this point, it's best to just forget about him.
As for the Superman comparison? There has been a serious push the last few decades to have her be 'superman' level. personaly, I hate that... Its one of the things I liked about the animated movie. She was really tough, really strong... but not 'superman' level.
I feel the upgrade in powers like Flight and invulnerabity/toughness make the bracelets and jet redundant. It's a bad decision... but they do keep trying to go that route. I remember a JLA where they needed to move the moon orsomething... and Wonder Woman was right there next to superman helping out.
I like her best lifting a car or truck tops...
Of course if she can reflect bullets with her bracelets, doesn't that by default make her reflexes faster than a speeding bullet?
Or is it one of those weird comic things where she can deflect bullets, but otherwise has no real speed abilities?
As for the Superman comparison? There has been a serious push the last few decades to have her be 'superman' level. personaly, I hate that... Its one of the things I liked about the animated movie. She was really tough, really strong... but not 'superman' level.
That's actually a return to what she was supposed to be. She was supposed to be as powerful as Superman. He got all kinds of power boosts over the years, and she didn't.
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Post-Crisis, Hermes gifted her with Speed and Flight.
Any Wonder Woman origin that involves her getting powers as a gift from dudes (even dudes who are gods), or as inheritances from Hercules or Zeus, automatically earns a frowny face from me.
Powers and / or gifts (like magic belts-turned-lassos) from Hera, Artemis, Athena, Aphrodite and / or Gaea? Sure thing. Throw Demeter, Hestia, Nike, Tyche, Selene, Iris, etc. into the mix as well!
DC -
The world isn't ready for a Wonder Woman movie yet.
Marvel -
We have this tree and talking racoon. Let's greenlight it!
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I honestly HATE the idea of her getting gifts from the gods... especially at birth.
There was this whole 'contest of the Amazons' thing that she snuck into and WON the right to go to Man's world and be Wonder Woman. Then powers were tied to her belt and braclets and lasso and such.
Having the gods grant her all these powers... makes her dirty rotten cheater and generally boring. It's like Clark Kent running an obstacle course with a group of Marines... Sure, they may be good. However, it's still not a contest, and nothing for Diana to be proud of.
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DC -
The world isn't ready for a Wonder Woman movie yet.Marvel -
We have this tree and talking racoon. Let's greenlight it!But still no Black Widow movie and Captain Marvel has gotten pushed back a couple times since it was announced.
(This is in no way a knock against GotG, which was great. But Marvel still hasn't released a female-led movie yet, either.)
Well... There was... Elektra... Ugh! Thinking about that movie causes me physical harm!
Seriously, though...
If you want a good female-led flick, watch Wonder Woman's 2009 animated movie. It's really good! One of the best animations of DC in recent years... If not THE best.
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On a separate note, I like the idea of Diana only getting her superpowers (other than the super strength shared by all amazons) after she wins the Contest of Amazons. This way she actually does something to deserve her powers, instead of "cheating" by virtue of divine favoritism or lucky parentage.
I sort of liked Elektra.
Of course I think it strayed from the source material like close to 99% and was Elektra in name only.
That upset a TON of people I think.
The movie itself wasn't all that bad to me, a lot like any other action type flick.
Then again, I didn't really mind the Dare Devil Movie either.
I found the animated WW movie sort of boring. DC has been VERY hit and miss on their animated straight to DVD films for me. That one was a miss for me.
I guess I just have odd tastes.
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I sort of liked Elektra.
Of course I think it strayed from the source material like close to 99% and was Elektra in name only.
That upset a TON of people I think.
The movie itself wasn't all that bad to me, a lot like any other action type flick.
Then again, I didn't really mind the Dare Devil Movie either.
I found the animated WW movie sort of boring. DC has been VERY hit and miss on their animated straight to DVD films for me. That one was a miss for me.
I guess I just have odd tastes.
It's okay if we have different tastes and opinions... You have the right to be objectively wrong. XD
It's okay if we have different tastes and opinions... You have the right to be objectively wrong. XDI sort of liked Elektra.
Of course I think it strayed from the source material like close to 99% and was Elektra in name only.
That upset a TON of people I think.
The movie itself wasn't all that bad to me, a lot like any other action type flick.
Then again, I didn't really mind the Dare Devil Movie either.
I found the animated WW movie sort of boring. DC has been VERY hit and miss on their animated straight to DVD films for me. That one was a miss for me.
I guess I just have odd tastes.
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I sort of liked Elektra.
Of course I think it strayed from the source material like close to 99% and was Elektra in name only.
That upset a TON of people I think.
The movie itself wasn't all that bad to me, a lot like any other action type flick.
Then again, I didn't really mind the Dare Devil Movie either.
I found the animated WW movie sort of boring. DC has been VERY hit and miss on their animated straight to DVD films for me. That one was a miss for me.
I guess I just have odd tastes.
I'm a huge fan of the Daredevil movie, but I really hated the Elektra one.
One thing that I really REALLY dislike about some of these comic movies.. specifically Elektra and Fox's X-series... is the changes from the original source.
When I get to the end of the credits and start seeing character names pop up that I never recognized in the movie... I get very frustrated. Typhoid Mary... Psylocke... what's the point of name dropping if nobody recognizes them.
I don't think I've ever seen the original Dare Devil cut. I think I've only seen the director's cut.
Were there big differences?
Ok... this stuff about DD and Elektra is fascinating to me and I don't wanna step on its toes, but I had a couple thoughts on WW and was wondering if they resonated with anyone else:
First off: HUGE WW fan, HUGE!!! Pretty much across the board, I dig the origin (the REAL origin... being made the daughter of zeus is SO tedious to me) and the power set and the costume (I know it is RIDICULOUS but I like it lol) I am TOTALLY on board.
I wonder though if part of the failure of her sustained interest is that, compare to Batman and Superman, WW has NO interesting villains. Batman has the Joker and Catwoman and Twoface and Bane... basically EVERY cool/interesting villain EVER is on Batman's Rogue's gallery. Superman has Lex Luthor and... others... that are interesting (though probably NOT as iconic as Lex).
Heck even Green Lantern has Sinestro and the Flash has some adorable characters- Gorilla Grodd... PRECIOUS!
Wonder Woman... I would think the most iconic comic villain she has is Cheetah... and... she just doesn't work very well. I suppose we could throw the Nazis into the iconic villains section for her, but they can't exactly make for an enduring antagonist without inserting some other influence (see Captain America and HYDRA).
I was wondering if anyone else had a similar reaction? Part of the success of Batman is that the audience LIKES Batman AND likes his villains. We want to see the Joker create these ultimate zany/funny schemes that seem so perfect and we WANT to see Batman overcome them (and in one instance we apparently REALLY wanted Robin to NOT make it).
I don't really have a defense for Superman... I... I couldn't be less interested in his success as a superhero... but I don't generally like the character. The main part being the sorta overt 'might makes the ONLY POSSIBLE SOLUTION' mentality grates on my nerves.
One thing I dig about WW is that she is the power of Superman with the skill of Batman. She is ACTIVELY bulletproof... I just find that VERY cool. Not that other characters don't have that or mix those elements but it is a cool combo.
Ok- sorry- back to the daredevil thing... I was interested in that too
Yeah... The lack of good villains is a serious problem for WW. She has the giant woman and a few deities too... But nothing too iconic. Wonder Woman really need some interesting foes.
that's right... Giganta... well... that's better than Cheetah (same color scheme weirdly...)
You know... Super Friends convinced me that she was Apache Chief's nemesis... GRRRR!!! Hannah Barbara sniping villains for other characters... :(
I actually think Cheetah is more interesting than Giganta... At least she has some cool powers. Giganta can grow up... Which only makes her a bigger target when fighting someone with flight and super-strength.
WW occasionally faces off Greek deities too, but that's kinda boring. There are so many different versions of those deities in pop culture that it's hard to make any of them iconic enough to count as a good villain.
Once in a while there's an evil amazon or something... But to me, creating an evil version of your hero is the laziest way to create a threatening villain .
I honestly HATE the idea of her getting gifts from the gods... especially at birth.
You should know as far as the Greek Mythos goes, that's pretty much SOP. Thetis gave the infant Achilles immortality in payment for the hospitality the child's parents gave her not knowing who she was. Athena practically showers her heroes with hints and gifts.
They were also just as generous with curses, sometimes both at once. In return for her spurning his affections, Apollo gave Cassandra the gift of true prophecy... along with the curse that no one would ever believe her.
I remember Bullseye saying that the roses was something of Kingpin's, not something he does himself. I always presumed that Kingpin was like any other mob figure, there were people aware of what he really was, but nothing could ever be proven, and most people refused to talk about it out of fear.The court case, where they are trying to prove this kid didn't kill anyone (or something like that, been a few years) was totally omitted. So the discovery of Fisk's connection doesn't exist. Instead, after defeating (killing?) Bullseye, Daredevil just magically knows to go confront Fisk. Because, we the audience know he is the bad guy, so now the hero does as well?
The director's cut also makes him question his methods. Theatrical, he kills the bad guys and has no problem with it. The very reason DD doesn't like the Punisher.
Yep. that was the connection between Fisk and Bullseye/death of all loved ones... It was a weak connection, but lil boy Matt found the rose on dead dad enough to bleed from the thorns... must have stuck with him.
Also, he knew already that Fisk had a 'guilty' reputation and wouldn't represent him.
The main differences were the court case with Turk. That was completely gone in the theatrical version so we were only seeing one side of Daredevil. The whole 'I know he's innocent and will help him despite EVERY bit of evidence going against us...' is a major part of the character.
Also the theatrical version played up more of Elektra and the love story. The rooftop scene in the rain in original has him hearing trouble in the city, and chosing to have a sex scene with Elektra instead of helping... in the DIrector's cut he leaves her... THEN they go to the scene where he's pounding on the dude in front of his kid in frustration.
it worked a LOT better and was more true to the character.
I honestly HATE the idea of her getting gifts from the gods... especially at birth.
You should know as far as the Greek Mythos goes, that's pretty much SOP. Thetis gave the infant Achilles immortality in payment for the hospitality the child's parents gave her not knowing who she was. Athena practically showers her heroes with hints and gifts.
They were also just as generous with curses, sometimes both at once. In return for her spurning his affections, Apollo gave Cassandra the gift of true prophecy... along with the curse that no one would ever believe her.
True... but their gifts aren't 'superman' level in the myths. And when you do get characters like Hercules... he's not involved with 'average' contests with mortals and bragging about his worthiness...
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For an 'iconic' villian, I think Doctor Psycho is a good 'anti-Wonder Woman' She's physically strong, he's physically weak. She's about freedom and love, he's about hatred and subjugation. Indeed, if Diana is about redemption, he makes a perfect recurring villian as he 'breaks' those she fixes.
In the origin film, and I think in JLU at times they had Ares as one of WW foes.
Heracles is a WW villain? Huh... I didn't know that. What's thr story behind the wrist things?
It's kinda sad that WW lacks original villains and has to mostly face off characters from the Greek pantheon... Like I said, it's difficult to give those characters an iconic feel when there are so many versions of them in so many comics, movies, games, TV shows, etc.