The Cost of Staves with Remaining Charges


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Just out of curiosity, how does one figure out how much a staff is worth, treasure wise, when a staff has less charges?

Case in point, the party has come across two staves. One is normally worth 63,960g with two charges left (for Planar Binding) and the other is 36,750g (for Dimensional Anchor).

What would be the selling price of these items? Do you just divide the total by 10 and that's how much it's worth per charge?


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Since Staves can be recharged fairly easily there should be no price difference.

Grand Lodge

So, if the staff has only 1 charge left in it, the party with no spell casters can sell it for half of 63,960? Somehow I can't back that.


Drachasor wrote:
Since Staves can be recharged fairly easily there should be no price difference.

Drachasor is definitely correct. Staves are not consumable magic items, they're permanent, so the price does not change.

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Grand Lodge

Cool. I'm going to take what's just been said as gospel, show it to the GM, and see if we can't break his economy by selling these two staves with only 1 or 2 charges in them, for half price.

I know I'd say differently, but still.


kevin_video wrote:
So, if the staff has only 1 charge left in it, the party with no spell casters can sell it for half of 63,960? Somehow I can't back that.

As Blueluck's link shows, you can recharge that staff without spending any gold. It just takes a caster who knows one of the spells on it 9 days.

PS. I think Staves are actually pretty cool in Pathfinder, though I haven't number-crunched anything regarding how price-efficient they are. Still, you could potentially get a lot of "spontaneous" casting of spells out of them. At high levels, you could even make simulacra (sp?), one per staff you need to charge.


Even with 0 charges left, it should be worth half. If you were to house-rule it I'd say each charge subtracts 1% of the price, so even with 0 charges, it would be 40%, due to the difficulty of charging certain high-level staves, but again, that would just be a house-rule, not the RAW.

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kevin_video wrote:

Cool. I'm going to take what's just been said as gospel, show it to the GM, and see if we can't break his economy by selling these two staves with only 1 or 2 charges in them, for half price.

I know I'd say differently, but still.

You could reduce the price of the staff by the cost of casting the spell needed to recharge it.

After all the merchant, if he want to sell it full charged, would have to pay someone to recharge it.

So a Staff of Fire that would normally net 9,475 gp when sold to a merchant would be depreciated by 450 gp for each missing charge.
I think it would be too hard on the players, but a 1-2% reduction in the sale price for each missing charge would be reasonable.

I think most merchants that aren't spellcasters wouldn't bother to recharge the staff, and sell it at a slight discount if it wasn't fully charged (again, 1-2% for each missing charge).


Drachasor wrote:
I think Staves are actually pretty cool in Pathfinder, though I haven't number-crunched anything regarding how price-efficient they are. Still, you could potentially get a lot of "spontaneous" casting of spells out of them. At high levels, you could even make simulacra (sp?), one per staff you need to charge.

I'm not a fan of most of the published staves, because they always seem to have a mix of useful spells and one's I'd never use. Custom staves are awesome, especially for the spells you want to have around "just in case" but don't plan to use frequently. They're pretty cost efficient if you don't go above level 4-5 spells.

Grand Lodge

It's a bit like a Gun without bullets.

The Gun still costs the same.


Blueluck wrote:
Drachasor wrote:
I think Staves are actually pretty cool in Pathfinder, though I haven't number-crunched anything regarding how price-efficient they are. Still, you could potentially get a lot of "spontaneous" casting of spells out of them. At high levels, you could even make simulacra (sp?), one per staff you need to charge.
I'm not a fan of most of the published staves, because they always seem to have a mix of useful spells and one's I'd never use. Custom staves are awesome, especially for the spells you want to have around "just in case" but don't plan to use frequently. They're pretty cost efficient if you don't go above level 4-5 spells.

Or even ones you might want to use several times during an adventure and charge back up later.

I think the most cost efficient staff would be a Staff with Wish on it, but the entry cost is a nightmare. Also, many DMs might give you a dark look.


Drachasor wrote:
Blueluck wrote:
Drachasor wrote:
I think Staves are actually pretty cool in Pathfinder, though I haven't number-crunched anything regarding how price-efficient they are. Still, you could potentially get a lot of "spontaneous" casting of spells out of them. At high levels, you could even make simulacra (sp?), one per staff you need to charge.
I'm not a fan of most of the published staves, because they always seem to have a mix of useful spells and one's I'd never use. Custom staves are awesome, especially for the spells you want to have around "just in case" but don't plan to use frequently. They're pretty cost efficient if you don't go above level 4-5 spells.

Or even ones you might want to use several times during an adventure and charge back up later.

I think the most cost efficient staff would be a Staff with Wish on it, but the entry cost is a nightmare. Also, many DMs might give you a dark look.

A really cost efficient staff would be a staff with Wish on it, and Prestidigitation, so you could charge it with Prestidigitation, then use it to cast wish. Also known as the Staff of Rocks fall, everybody dies.


Tholomyes wrote:
Drachasor wrote:
Blueluck wrote:
Drachasor wrote:
I think Staves are actually pretty cool in Pathfinder, though I haven't number-crunched anything regarding how price-efficient they are. Still, you could potentially get a lot of "spontaneous" casting of spells out of them. At high levels, you could even make simulacra (sp?), one per staff you need to charge.
I'm not a fan of most of the published staves, because they always seem to have a mix of useful spells and one's I'd never use. Custom staves are awesome, especially for the spells you want to have around "just in case" but don't plan to use frequently. They're pretty cost efficient if you don't go above level 4-5 spells.

Or even ones you might want to use several times during an adventure and charge back up later.

I think the most cost efficient staff would be a Staff with Wish on it, but the entry cost is a nightmare. Also, many DMs might give you a dark look.

A really cost efficient staff would be a staff with Wish on it, and Prestidigitation, so you could charge it with Prestidigitation, then use it to cast wish. Also known as the Staff of Rocks fall, everybody dies.

To recharge a staff, you must sacrifice a spell of the highest level the staff can cast.


Blueluck wrote:
Tholomyes wrote:
Drachasor wrote:
Blueluck wrote:

Or even ones you might want to use several times during an adventure and charge back up later.

I think the most cost efficient staff would be a Staff with Wish on it, but the entry cost is a nightmare. Also, many DMs might give you a dark look.

A really cost efficient staff would be a staff with Wish on it, and Prestidigitation, so you could charge it with Prestidigitation, then use it to cast wish. Also known as the Staff of Rocks fall, everybody dies.
To recharge a staff, you must sacrifice a spell of the highest level the staff can cast.

Of course, which is why you'd toss on Prestidigitation and maybe Fabricate or something as they're thematically similar. Or I guess you could grab a couple spells off the Draconic Lineage for Sorcerers. I mean, technically you only need one, but just putting 0th level spell looks pretty cheap, eh? Though really, it's a steal even if it just has Wish. +5 to all your stats in a month. After two months it has more than paid for itself. It would be pretty ridiculous.

Edit: I misread you, sorry and I missed the other person's comments too.

Hmm, I could swear when I read the Staff rules it was something of the lowest level. Odd.

Edit 2: Weird, I don't know how I misread it. Thanks for pointing that out.


Drachasor wrote:
staff, staff, staff. . .

No worries:)

If you could put in a 1st level spell and get out a high level spell, staves would be way more popular!

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