Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play: Double-Take

Monday, July 29, 2013

In another week we will see the newest version of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, the document that lays out the baseline rules, assumptions, and adjustments for playing in the organized play campaign. Over the past few months, whether by podcast, convention panel, or cryptic response to a forum post, Mike and I have hinted at many of the updates. By now, for example, practically everyone knows about the disappearance of the Lantern Lodge and Shadow Lodge. The new format for Pathfinder Tales novel boons has been available for download for several months. We even spoiled the new system for wealth and "playing up" during a panel at PaizoCon a few weeks ago. There is, however, at least one thing that we have not teased: Replay.

Already I can hear the hissed intake of breath from some worried readers. We've read, heard, and sometimes even personally made the argument that replay opens the door to myriad forms of abuse. I agree that unlimited replay of more than just Tier 1 scenarios and Tier 1-2 modules would be disruptive. I still remember meeting a Pathfinder Society player who proudly boasted that he and his group had just run through The Godsmouth Heresy six times in the course of a weekend simply to level-grind a host of characters to 2nd level. Campaign leadership has been very careful in exploring replay so that we might avoid classic pitfalls.

What tipped the balance for us was realizing that replay might also address an ongoing push to expand rewards for GMs who have dedicated their time to the campaign. In my estimation, most GMs who have at least one star have had to "eat" a scenario by preparing and GMing it before having the chance to play it. In my experience, those who habitually GM for organized play also have considerable practice when it comes to suppressing personal knowledge. In my time as a volunteer and employee, I find that those who GM first and play later are also among the most dedicated to wanting the whole group to have fun and enjoy experiencing a scenario without spoilers. That got the gears turning.

When Version 5.0 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play goes live, campaign participants who have been recognized for their efforts as a GM by receiving GM stars will be able to replay or "re-GM" a limited number of scenarios—specifically one scenario for each star earned. In this way a participant may earn a third Chronicle sheet from a given scenario: one for playing, one for GMing, and one for either playing or GMing that scenario a second time. No character may ever have two of the same Chronicle sheet, so one must apply each sheet to a different character each time. When earning a third Chronicle in this way, the GM should write "GM Star Replay Credit" on the Chronicle sheet.

Let's say you're a two-star GM—thank you for your help, by the way. You can now replay or re-GM (for credit, that is) two scenarios once each. Perhaps you thought Pathfinder Society Scenario #3–14159: Death by Pie was amazing when you played it the first time, but you are sad to have missed the opportunity to play it with your pastry totem barbarian who took the mathematical prodigy trait. You replay it for credit using one of your replay credits, and now you have one replay left. If you later use that to replay #5–513: The Doppelganger's Prey, you are now out of replays until you earn that third star. Only then would you be able to replay #4–117: All the Doors are Trapped for credit.

At this time, the Guide does not say anything about gaining more replay credits each season. For now that's alright by me; let's see how this works for one season before making promises about what will happen a year from now. As many as five replays won't be enough to make a character completely unbalanced. Instead I envision this being for those who have played/GMed almost everything, managed tables for most of a convention, and saved the last slot to just play.

There may be other rewards tied to GM ties in the Guide, but we'll just have to wait to see those when the new document goes live next week.


Amiri and Ezren are both replaying the scenario pictured above, and our iconic barbarian is trying to remind the wizard not to spoil what's about to happen next for the other players. Ezren is just aghast that all of the other characters put on the masks without first discovering the black lotus extract smeared on the interiors. What a great (nonexistent) scenario...

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3/5 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

Interesting... I'm about to get a second start, but I'm not sure what I'd want to replay...

The Exchange 5/5 RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

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I like the idea of replay for those times when an adventure goes pear-shaped fast. The first encounter is a disaster, somebody gets eaten by his own horse, and the party earns 0 XP, 0 prestige, etc.

This is a chance to try that over again.

4/5 5/55/55/55/5 ***** Venture-Captain, United Kingdom—England—Coventry

with your pastry totem barbarian who took the mathematical prodigy trait -hmm, I'm creating this ;-)

4/5 *

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens Subscriber

Interesting and creative. At first blush, I like it.

3/5 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

Chris Mortika wrote:

I like the idea of replay for those times when an adventure goes pear-shaped fact. The first encounter is a disaster, somebody was eaten by his own horse, and the party gets 0 XP, 0 prestige, etc.

This is a chance to try that over again.

Ooh, good point. Now maybe I can find out what happens after the first combat in "The Jester's Fraud" or "The Disappeared."

5/5 *

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Woot! I am always glad for rewards for GMs. I agree this does not sound unbalancing or broken for now, and seems like a great perk. I myself have a scenario in mind that I would love to replay to get vengeance on it.

King of the Storval Stairs:
This is my only chronicle sheet that has 0 xp on it in my PFS career. Kyle Baird, I want my revenge!!!

Shadow Lodge 5/5 5/5

Excellent idea, and yet balanced. Also should give players some incentive to give the GM seat a try if they already haven't.

Grand Lodge 5/5

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Pie!

Shadow Lodge

Thumbs up!

Nice, but not overpowered perk for those who pour their blood, sweat and tears into running games for folks.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 5/5

Garble Facechomper wrote:
Pie!

Death by Pie for you Garble, as he mentioned! Your reign of terror comes to an end at last!

Shadow Lodge 5/5

CRobledo wrote:

Woot! I am always glad for rewards for GMs. I agree this does not sound unbalancing or broken for now, and seems like a great perk. I myself have a scenario in mind that I would love to replay to get vengeance on it.

** spoiler omitted **

Let's do this.

5/5

Hmmmmmm.

Interesting. Very interesting.

I like where you're going with this, and I look forward to reading the new guide.

Dark Archive 4/5 5/5 ****

Sounds very doable... and hard to abuse, since the most anyone could replay is 5 scenarios.

I cannot see using this to re-GM an adventure (since we are all here, in the end, to play), but I am not someone with 150+ GM credits.

At this point, I cannot think of a scenario that I would really want to reply... more like there could be a situation where I have a buddy that wants to play, and the only scenarios available are ones that I have played already, and he has not.

I assume that this will be tracked with a "special button" on the reporting page (and on the tracker sheets), so that Paizo can track this?

Scarab Sages 4/5 5/5

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Can we call it "Play Play Replay"?

Grand Lodge 2/5

It is funny that all of the comments so far are from thoose with the stars. I love the idea it should encourge some people to GM more

Rich


Chris Mortika wrote:
somebody gets eaten by his own horse

If I had a dime for every time this happened...

...I'd not be able to do anything with the money since the exchange-offices in town won't take coins.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, Texas—Houston

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Silbeg wrote:
I cannot see using this to re-GM an adventure (since we are all here, in the end, to play), but I am not someone with 150+ GM credits.

I could totally see using it to re-GM [redacted] to get the [redacted] boon on my [redacted].

1/5

I like this idea of replay. I can think of a few scenarios to replay on another character. I totally flopped in blakros matrimony, so I'm glad to hear that I might be able to get another chance at it with another character.

4/5

Love this idea, and I'm getting close to my 3rd star, too.

Hard to abuse, incentive to GM, what's not to love?

Although I do have one inquiry. Is this only meant for PFS scenarios, or are sanctioned modules up for grabs, too? (Either way, this is still awesome)

2/5

I assume that the technical side of this (reporting-wise) has already been analysed? I imagine that the code will have to be expanded to check number of times played, GM stars, number of GM-star replays already used, plus not allow the second play on the same character. (Not sure about the last one.) Hopefully that won't be too hairy to change. (At this point, I would probably start thinking about developing a system that can check various criteria for allowing application of credit in case further "special cases" come up.)

Sovereign Court

Well anyone whose got a few stars to their name probably isn't going to be the type to go out and abuse that so it should be fine.

How are you going to track it is my question?

Dark Archive 5/5 5/5

Kelly Youngblood wrote:
Silbeg wrote:
I cannot see using this to re-GM an adventure (since we are all here, in the end, to play), but I am not someone with 150+ GM credits.
I could totally see using it to re-GM [redacted] to get the [redacted] boon on my [redacted].

Yep, like back in the old days when GMs could not get the extra boons on chronicles.

5/5

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Also, "hissed intake of breath" was my exact reaction, so ... well played. ;p

Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

I enjoy this. Not as much a liberalization as I'd like, but it's still a nice perk.

Kelly hit that point for me perfectly. My sage sorcerer for example played [redacted] and can't use Riddywipple, but playing [redacted] again to get it on Ksenia is an option, or GMing it to put it on a new character has merit too.

4/5

Very elegant solution. Whoever thought this up gets a cookie.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

Now to figure out which scenarios I'd like another chronicle for.

Liberty's Edge

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Pathfinder Society Scenario
#3–14159: Death by Pie
#5–513: The Doppelganger's Prey
#4–117: All the Doors are Trapped

When are the expected release dates for these modules you have teased on?

My Urban Ranger with Mathematical Prodigy trait and favored enemy Shapeshifters is now drooling in anticipation.

Barratt

Silver Crusade 5/5

I have failed 2 Scenarios in my time on planet PFS, both by low level character death... and I have 2 stars... what are the odds... DO OVER!!!

Shadow Lodge 4/5 5/5 RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 8

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Hooray! This also helps reward players that shy away from spoilers regarding scenarios. Like people that played Quest for Perfection 1, 2, and 3 on different characters and can't get [redacted]. Now, they can!

Scarab Sages 4/5

redward wrote:
Very elegant solution. Whoever thought this up gets a cookie.

I would suspect it was Mr Mike Brock and/or Mr John Compton. It is a great idea and I love it.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 *** Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau

Any chance we can get tech to add a "Star Replay" tab to reporting, so the player doesn't get flagged as ineligible to receive a Chronicle? It would also allow the PFS team to see how often this is being used to help judge how effective it is.

5/5

jon dehning wrote:
Kelly Youngblood wrote:
Silbeg wrote:
I cannot see using this to re-GM an adventure (since we are all here, in the end, to play), but I am not someone with 150+ GM credits.
I could totally see using it to re-GM [redacted] to get the [redacted] boon on my [redacted].
Yep, like back in the old days when GMs could not get the extra boons on chronicles.

Back in the old days? Pfft. Back in the really old days we got nothing. Then we were BLESSED with 1 XP, 1/2 gold, no boons, and 1/2 PA (Fame for you youngin's). I think it was also up hill both ways.

5/5 **** Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West

Kyle Baird wrote:
Back in the old days? Pfft. Back in the really old days we got nothing. Then we were BLESSED with 1 XP, 1/2 gold, no boons, and 1/2 PA (Fame for you youngin's). I think it was also up hill both ways.

Through difficult terrain, while heavily encumbered, against permanent Gust of Wind spells?

5/5

David Montgomery wrote:
Through difficult terrain, while heavily encumbered, against permanent Gust of Wind spells?

And gugs! Don't forget the gugs! Oh the horror! That's how Doug Miles lost his left [redacted].

Grand Lodge 5/5

Is this 1 per star ever, or 1 per star per year?

Edit: Also, this is awesome!

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

Seth Gipson wrote:
Is this 1 per star ever, or 1 per star per year?
John Compton and Mike Brock wrote:
At this time, the Guide does not say anything about gaining more replay credits each season. For now that's alright by me; let's see how this works for one season before making promises about what will happen a year from now. As many as five replays won't be enough to make a character completely unbalanced. Instead I envision this being for those who have played/GMed almost everything, managed tables for most of a convention, and saved the last slot to just play.

Shadow Lodge

Seth Gipson wrote:

Is this 1 per star ever, or 1 per star per year?

Edit: Also, this is awesome!

From what I'm reading, they're going with 1 per star ever, for the moment, with the possibility of switching to 1 per star per year in season six.

4/5

Man I need to run We Be Goblins 30 times so I can get to replay Eyes of the Ten, this time as Taldor...

Or use it to re-run Blakros Matrimony and Darkest Vengeance cause they were great to run.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

I think I'll be using this to bump my 1-2 characters higher, since I've exhausted a lot of the 1-5 scenarios already.

*

This is awesome. It is a simple reward for GMs, and in many of 4-5 star folks they are probably replaying for no credit anyway. I have seen this a couple of times, just because we needed to make a table legal.

Again, great news!

Grand Lodge 5/5

Auke Teeninga wrote:
Seth Gipson wrote:
Is this 1 per star ever, or 1 per star per year?
John Compton and Mike Brock wrote:
At this time, the Guide does not say anything about gaining more replay credits each season. For now that's alright by me; let's see how this works for one season before making promises about what will happen a year from now. As many as five replays won't be enough to make a character completely unbalanced. Instead I envision this being for those who have played/GMed almost everything, managed tables for most of a convention, and saved the last slot to just play.

That's what I get for skimming. :P

Thanks Auke!

Grand Lodge 5/5

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This makes Murder on the Throaty Mermaid the perfect replay choice, cause of how the scenario was written. Even if youve played it before, it shouldnt give you any help in figuring out who it is the second time you play it.

Silver Crusade 1/5 *

This comes at the perfect time since I should have my first GM star within a month's time. Of course, I haven't failed any scenarios, but it will be nice to get the boon most oft-mentioned in this thread on my wizard. Although I guess I could just GM it, since it's so freaking hard anyway I'd hate to take a second crack at it and die. That seems too much like tempting fate.

Sczarni 4/5 RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16

I think this sounds great! It's a nice, measured way to allow GMs to replay some scenarios, while limiting replays enough that they should not become a problem. Bravo!

I second the question about sanctioned modules. Are they valid targets for replay as well?

Also, when can we expect the new guide?

Thanks!


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber

Well done approach. Kudos!

5/5 5/55/5

I like it, it lets me have another shot at Rats of Round Mountain, the only scenario I have played where I have 0 XP on my chronicle sheet.

Dark Archive 4/5 5/5 ** Venture-Agent, Australia—QLD—Brisbane

Nice work - this should make organising our games days a little easier.

4/5 5/5 ***

Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories, Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Cool idea. Sounds like a neat reward for GMing.

5/5 5/55/55/5

Should help for those high level bottlenecks that seekers run into...

Eyes of the ten x2 becomes possible at what, 3 stars? I better get crackin.

Dark Archive Customer Service Representative

redward wrote:
Very elegant solution. Whoever thought this up gets a cookie.

You can direct all cookies towards Customer Service and we will make sure they reach their intended victims...

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