♣♠Magic♦♥ |
I have to disagree.
I don't see a reason that the normal proccess of making poisons can't render more powerful versions.
Think of it this way:
A low level wizard uses low level magic.
A high level wizard uses high level magic.
A low level poisoner uses low level poisons.
A high level poisoner should be able to use high level poisons. Except that these don't exist. Because pathfinder decided not to make this level of poison, it's up to us to fill in the blanks.
In character, the wizard studies to use the higher magic.
The poisoner also studies to use higher poisons. The wizard has higher things to use when he achieves them. A poisoner of the same skill gets to that level and sees that his "spell book" doesn't contain the "spells" he should know. To fix this, we simply add "spells" for him.
Does this help explain my p.o.v.?
Damiani |
I have to disagree.
I don't see a reason that the normal proccess of making poisons can't render more powerful versions.Think of it this way:
A low level wizard uses low level magic.A high level wizard uses high level magic.
A low level poisoner uses low level poisons.
A high level poisoner should be able to use high level poisons. Except that these don't exist. Because pathfinder decided not to make this level of poison, it's up to us to fill in the blanks.
In character, the wizard studies to use the higher magic.
The poisoner also studies to use higher poisons. The wizard has higher things to use when he achieves them. A poisoner of the same skill gets to that level and sees that his "spell book" doesn't contain the "spells" he should know. To fix this, we simply add "spells" for him.Does this help explain my p.o.v.?
Sure. :)
I guess I was suggesting that 'high level poison' will fall into the same category as researching (though, perhaps not as expensive) new x level spells, or what not.
Hell, just base your poison making off crafting a magical item, that might make things easier too? Like it's a 'single potion' dose or whatever, equivalent, or scroll.
There's rules for that-- though, finding that CR20+ snake and taking IT'S poison, might be a ton simplier.
Either way, fun times.
♣♠Magic♦♥ |
Research is expensive in a normal game, but we have unlimited monies to work with here. ;)
If it helps to make up for it, Kevin doesn't have access to bombs and he won't get use out of his mutagen, so there is a decent power gap, that I suppose these poisons could make up for. If balance is what matters here.
Damiani |
You want to create poisons that will be relevant in power level to this game, so as to have a poison user character not be irrelevant.
That's what I got out of it.
I totally get this, but my point is -- his class doesn't give him the poisons, just the skills. So, there's an assumption that having the skill to create those poisons, is going to work.
Maybe there's a mundane limit on poison strength, and you have to get magical with 'em at one point?
*shrug*
I mean, after all, in reality (ours), no one's a 20th level fighter with an insane Fortitude stat boosted with magic/gear/years of adventuring, but anyone of us will instantly die if we take cyanide.
Not quite sure where I'm going with this, but ... just don't go gaining free powers without making the effort, you know?
Risk versus reward or something?
Maybe this is harder for me to explain than I thought.
Poisons really aren't relevant to /our/ power level due to the game system, unless you fight an NPC with the innate abilities, or 'monster' skills to do poisons that would (i.e. demonic balor blood, or the like).
Whipping something up like that in a lab? just cause you have a skill roll? dunno if that would jive. Not sure if that's clear.
Kryzbyn |
I get your point Damiani.
All of our characters got to where they are without having to RP all of it out (we started at 16th level). It would be cool, in game if he found the formulae for a powerful ancient poison that required a quest, but it's not necessarily necessary either, right?
(I personally would think that rocks, though...)
♣♠Magic♦♥ |
I feel like this can have a balance of both. XD
I also have bad memories with the term cryptid.
This annoying kid in middle school was obsessed with them, and unfortunately my friend was friends with him, so he was with us most of the time.
The only time I've ever been to the office was when he (falsely) accused me of threatening him.
The long story short, typing the term Cryptid leaves a bad taste in my thumbs...
Zix |
You want/need a teacher presence, I got one in limbo until mid head of security is free
Edit: gah mobile safari.
lynora |
Alright, I'm being kinda absent-minded right now (I used up all my thinks on exams) so I'm gonna do a checklist.
Aananda: headed back to lab to meet Zix, trying to figure out why that darned light is blinking
Asha: trying to make sense of the crazy, waiting for her brother to be ready to go enroll
Bradley: sexyfuntimes
Chara: sleeping
Dara: last time I knew was having a lesson with Lysander, but given the hour is probably in bed
Dennis: in Kuros
Ephebe: supervising field trip
Fieri:...uhhh....well, guess that's the first update I need to make
Ginni:....uhhh......and that's the second
Ignace: in bed not asleep
Jaiye: infirmary with Sil, should update this
Janie:......uhhhhhh......no idea
Jeran: cleaning up a mess in Kuros
Jiminy: questioning a prisoner in Kuros
Keme: ....need to update....
Kitty:in Anderail, finished cooking, waiting for family to come eat dinner
Miss Jones: went into the lake
Morrivan: infirmary talking to Julie
Nala: dealing with distraught psychotic patient....should update
Nanami: learning her new classroom, designing evil obstacle courses
Ori:....should update.....
Pyra: having a good cry
Raelle: zzzzzz
Ryleh:......should update......
Sadie: having a good cry
Sorchan: heading back to the school
Tamina:....uhhh....need to update...
lynora |
Still have another week+ of exams. :(
Done with one English class. Have one last revision to do for my other English class and then I'll be done with that. Have another week of lectures in server maintenance before practicals. Have two more classes of line commands before exam. Took physics test today and am now waiting to find out if I need to take the final. If I got a 90 or better, I don't need to take the final. But it was a really rough test, so I have no idea how my score is going to be. :S
lynora |
I'm gonna have to wait until I get the kidlet to bed before more updates tonight. It's just about time to leave karate class...as soon as he gets changed out of his uniform. This is a lengthy process since he gets caught up talking to the other kids. Sigh. :)
Dragonborn3 |
Lord Foul II |
Hmm spellthief
It's a 3.5 class so if you were to give it a few buffs I don't think it would be an issue but it's a really fun, flavorful class that meshes well with the high dex of a crossbow build
Edit:dag nabbit (heh autocorrected to sag abbot) ninjas
Lord Foul II |
He's particular about his uniform. He doesn't want it to get dirty. Which is good. He takes such good care of it because karate is important to him. :)
that is adorable (though it does say something about the cleanliness of your car :P)
Lord Foul II |
Spellthief is one of my favorite 3.5 classes
Though in pathfinder it could use some buffs, like evasion somewhere around level 5-7
Maybe Sneak attack every 3 levels instead of 5,
Maybe bumping up casting from 4th level to 6th
Maybe add some of the stuff from the glory rouge archetype or a class stealth bonus
Here it'd be fine with or without those buffs because power isn't an issue, just having fun
we even have people of different levels and templates on top of that
But it also wouldn't be to out there to add some or all of these
♣♠Magic♦♥ |
I wish there was a check mark symbol...
Archena out. I assume the Firebirds are asleep now.
Companions various. All out in this game.
Hermes out unless someone wants to talk to him. He will read and make stuff. Poor Arthur. Carl has no idea what he did.
Kevin is sciencing, so also out.
Lewis out.
Lim-Môr out.
The Man is just a leftover from when the alias was different.
Strider is doing... things...
Sara is playing with Sun, probably dozing off. Will post with that.
Shiro is doing paperwork, while the nurse does his job. :P
Tybs is talking with people.
Looks like I'm almost out of conscious people.
Edward Sobel |
I wish there was a check mark symbol...
Archena out. I assume the Firebirds are asleep now.
Companions various. All out in this game.
Hermes out unless someone wants to talk to him. He will read and make stuff. Poor Arthur. Carl has no idea what he did.
Kevin is sciencing, so also out.
Lewis out.
Lim-Môr out.
The Man is just a leftover from when the alias was different.
Strider is doing... things...
Sara is playing with Sun, probably dozing off. Will post with that.
Shiro is doing paperwork, while the nurse does his job. :P
Tybs is talking with people.Looks like I'm almost out of conscious people.
√ like this?
♣♠Magic♦♥ |
♣♠Magic♦♥ wrote:√ like this?I wish there was a check mark symbol...
Archena out. I assume the Firebirds are asleep now.
Companions various. All out in this game.
Hermes out unless someone wants to talk to him. He will read and make stuff. Poor Arthur. Carl has no idea what he did.
Kevin is sciencing, so also out.
Lewis out.
Lim-Môr out.
The Man is just a leftover from when the alias was different.
Strider is doing... things...
Sara is playing with Sun, probably dozing off. Will post with that.
Shiro is doing paperwork, while the nurse does his job. :P
Tybs is talking with people.Looks like I'm almost out of conscious people.
That's close. I have that and have used it as such. It's just not the same, though. T-T
:Plynora |
I seem to have developed this bad habit of conking out after I get the kidlet to bed. Apparently I need more sleep. Ow. And to stop grinding my teeth when I sleep. I wear a bite guard at night, but obviously not for impromptu naps. Nothing like waking up at 3 and realizing you have to get up and get ready for bed. :/