The Thing from Beyond the Edge, that is correct regarding your character choosing an ability from the table.
Mithridites, sure, which makes it even more obscure!
Edward Sobel, Divinitus's friend dropped from the Razor Coast campaign that he started, so he was looking for another player. Seeing as how I had already mentioned that I loved Razor Coast's vibe but never got to make a character for it, he offered me a slot.
Monkeygod, my mistake, I just though that the ideas were linked. Would have been interesting to see how you worked that angle.
Galahad0430, check your PM box soon. About to send the idea to you soon.
ok cool, I was just curious really.
have a good game then...
Well, aside from spending the last of my gold, I think I'm pretty much done. ^^ I should probably post the updated version of Korina here sometime soon...
How would you feel about one-half of the gestalt being an unfettered Eidelon (basically, a Summoner on one half, but without the summoner and his spells). I created Shi here for a game and he was fun to play (Hi Lord Manticore, glad to see you back!). He would fit rather well into WotR, given his back ground...
@Glory - Assuming this got missed in all the posts?
Shi'Vatha, of course! :P
I asked a couple of days ago, but no answer.Oh, is Variant Multiclassing happening here? I might go for Fighter. Armor and Weapon Training are badass, especially for the build I'm working on. I know that means I'd be practically triple-dipping fighter, but wow. Would that be too cheesy?
Alternatively, Barbarian might also be quite nice...
But still, this is a pretty strong character already, I think. Variant Multiclassing would be able to make him even stronger, but should I go for that?
IMHO, I think that, while I can appreciate what Paizo did with variant multiclassing (VM), it seems like that the trade off is not very even. Your giving up 5 feats, and in return, you only seem to get few, diluted versions of the other class abilities. Like a lot of the sub-systems in PU (again, IMHO), this seems sort of substandard, unless you're trying to limit the campaign in some way, in an attempt to reduce the power gaming aspects.
@Dave Thanks for setting up a submissions list. On a game like this, it's likely to turn into a cattle call, LOL
I asked a couple of days ago, but no answer.Oh, is Variant Multiclassing happening here? I might go for Fighter. Armor and Weapon Training are badass, especially for the build I'm working on. I know that means I'd be practically triple-dipping fighter, but wow. Would that be too cheesy?
Alternatively, Barbarian might also be quite nice...
But still, this is a pretty strong character already, I think. Variant Multiclassing would be able to make him even stronger, but should I go for that?
IMHO, I think that, while I can appreciate what Paizo did with variant multiclassing (VM), it seems like that the trade off is not very even. Your giving up 5 feats, and in return, you only seem to get few, diluted versions of the other class abilities. Like a lot of the sub-systems in PU (again, IMHO), this seems sort of substandard, unless you're trying to limit the campaign in some way, in an attempt to reduce the power gaming aspects.
@Dave Thanks for setting up a submissions list. On a game like this, it's likely to turn into a cattle call, LOL
In a normal campaign, I might agree with you. Feats are valuable, and most classes can't afford to lose them. Still, in a gestalt campaign, where you can rack up a ton of bonus feats so that the missing feats don't hurt as much, those class features can be super valuable, especially since they don't require you to lose progression on one side.
In the case I'm looking at, what I consider to be the most valuable fighter abilities are ripe for the taking. Even though I wouldn't get the full level of abilities, they're definitely worth a feat each. Hell, I'd take them as feats if they were available. Dipping Fighter wouldn't give me anything close to those, either, and it would throw off my damage progressions, which are why I want to play a Monk//Warpriest in the first place.
In the end, it all comes down to whether you value class features or feats more. If you need the feats, variant multiclassing isn't for you, but if you'd pay a feat for a class feature, go for it.
I'll get him updated then and rebuilt. :)
How do you want to handle his attributes? Last time he was built it was use the eidelon stats as adjustments and buy stats normally as for a PC. Works well due to the penalties to mental stats (which I'll be buying up!).
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I'll get him updated then and rebuilt. :)
How do you want to handle his attributes? Last time he was built it was use the eidelon stats as adjustments and buy stats normally as for a PC. Works well due to the penalties to mental stats (which I'll be buying up!).
Why do I suddenly feel the need to build a gestalt unfettered eidolon/summoner who summons a human (or other) as an eidolon?
That sounds completely insane.
...I like it.
Indeed, plus it theoretically gives you the ability to mutate yourself at will.
If only there was a way for a Silver Dragon PC to get a humanoid companion, well I suppose I could do Silver Dragon/Summoner and make my Eidolon be a dragon rider.
Yes, I'm having difficulty picking the class to gestalt with silver dragon.
Silver Dragon one side. Paladin the other. Buy a training dummy, and exotic saddle. Tie it on your back. "Charge" people with your lance.
That does sound very cool! [Steals <ahem> 'borrows' idea for another game]
Why do I suddenly feel the need to build a gestalt unfettered eidolon/summoner who summons a human (or other) as an eidolon?
Steal away my friend, my mind is a never ending plane of insanity.
EDITED FOR LOLS:waves at Korina Hi sweetie, daddy loves you.
Is that a challenge? =D Because I plan to unleash all kinds of insanity upon our foes.
Is that a challenge? =D Because I plan to unleash all kinds of insanity upon our foes.
Dammit, you beat me to posting before I could edit my post.
The templar’s hooks were all she knew of school,
This child of horrors, magic arts, and dust;
But they sufficed her. Girls learn what they must
& as they may, for destiny is cruel
To those unfit to face it.
And as for how she is on a normal day (From the previous campaign she was in)
Korina grinned slightly at Lune's words. "There are those who think being human is taint enough... or a sign of purity that all others must bow before. I've found that such things are often based around what those in power would like to be true, rather than what is." She certainly had a very different idea of good and evil than most, though she did consider Chi's words for a moment. "Indeed, the branding irons were less than pleasant, though I was particularly unfond of the nail-rippers. Guilty or innocent, it is indeed best to avoid attracting attention you would not like to have..." Wait. Was... was she serious? Of course, it was no great secret that she'd been in the care of the inquisitors for quite some time, even if they had eventually pronounced her innocent. And in a city like Kenabres, you could be certain they'd, ah, thoroughly investigated the matter.
Seems normal enough to me.
I think I've got what I want in Chaïa's background - I'm afraid I got a bit carried away, since it's been a while since I've done much creative. Most of the immediately important stuff is in the "Training" spoiler, and I'll probably add a TL;DR version as a header to the background section tomorrow or so.
Mainly, the idea is, to riff off Xantrius' observation about the characters people are thinking of so far,
So that's 5 Hierophants, 5 Guardians, 4 Champions, 2 Marshals, 2 Tricksters, and only 1 Archmage...
The few. The proud. The totally bat-guano insane.
Only an elf (or maybe a gnome) primalist would get the idea that the best way of dealing with the Worldwound is to make magic even weirder within its borders. How do we fight chaos? With EVEN MORE CHAOS!
Somehow, the idea of playing what is effectively a Pathfinder-ized Discordian amuses me immensely. Gods help us all if Chaïa ever gets her hands on a rod of wonder...
That sounds completely insane.
...I like it.
Chaïa's gentler than Korina seems to be, but I think she might rather like the cut of Korina's jib. I can imagine the two of them driving a long-suffering paladin slowly bonkers.
Slightly more seriously, I'm thinking I would take Dual Path with Chaïa just to pick up the Hierophant Plantbringer ability, if nothing else. Chaïa's ideal endgame to the whole Worldwound thing is the rift closes, all the demons go away, but the veils are thin and fun stuff still happens in the region, like it raining flowers and gum drops rather than teeth or blood, and rainstorms bringing the sounds of delicate sonatas, not the choirs of the damned. ... o.O What? I said slightly more seriously. ;)
JonGarret, if you are referring to the fractional system, then no. It is one of the few things that I have seen from Pathfinder Unchained on d20pfsrd that I had a knee jerk reaction of 'NO' to. The Giant Bloodline from Kobold Press and the Master of Many Styles Unchained Monk, however, ARE allowed!
Thank you. I worked on the assumption that would be the case. I changed things a little since that post, anyway, when I became more enamoured with the Unchained Monk, but I was thinking of adding a VMC Cavalier of the Green. I can still multiclass into it later if I want, though.
Ok, so Charter finally fixed the Internet, thankfully! Sorry for the delay in my posts.
I found Skill Unlocks under their relevant Skill on d20pfsrd, so I will be allowing people to use those if they so wish. Since they essentially cost nothing and just provide nice benefits to spending a lot of points on certain skills, something most people do anyway.
Thuvius Breckindorf, it would have had to be a recent thing, due to to spoilers that I will not divulge. It is strictly a 'happened in the Worldwound exclusively' sort of thing. Demons have Immunity to Poison, but there are a few workarounds to that, plus I have access to the old 3.X good 'not-poisons' that affect evil creatures exclusively, I believe they were called Ravages.
First question, are you limiting Skill Unlocks to the Unchained Rogue class feature / Signature Skill feat or are you letting anyone use them? I personally would prefer you used the first option, but I am totally biased (since I'm taking Unchained Rogue) and also don't want to waste a class feature... Signature Skill feat
As far as the poisons go, there is actually an Alchemist discovery from the Faiths of Purity book that lets you make poisons that affect undead and evil outsiders despite their inherent immunity. Celestial Poisons discovery
Oddly, they didn't make a reverse one in the Champions of Corruption book. You'd think some Norgorber loving alchemist would have figured that one out...
Let me put it this way - Korina's the type who takes contrary positions just because she can, but usually tries to make people better when she's doing that.
For example, if a Paladin was about to kill some cultists, she might be all "You know, I think sending evil souls to the Abyss actually creates more demons - and they'd have a reason to come out of the Worldwound, join the armies, and come back to fight us again. From an absolutist perspective, wouldn't killing them help evil, thus morally obligating us to make them immortal until we can convince them to change their ways? I mean, it would be awful if the demons created by cultists you killed burned down a village of innocents, and that's not even getting into what happens to your powers if you knowingly and intentionally do something you expect to aid evil and harm good..."
Long-term presence around her may do interesting things to rigid moral codes...
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Ok, so Charter finally fixed the Internet, thankfully! Sorry for the delay in my posts.
I found Skill Unlocks under their relevant Skill on d20pfsrd, so I will be allowing people to use those if they so wish. Since they essentially cost nothing and just provide nice benefits to spending a lot of points on certain skills, something most people do anyway.
Thuvius Breckindorf, it would have had to be a recent thing, due to to spoilers that I will not divulge. It is strictly a 'happened in the Worldwound exclusively' sort of thing. Demons have Immunity to Poison, but there are a few workarounds to that, plus I have access to the old 3.X good 'not-poisons' that affect evil creatures exclusively, I believe they were called Ravages.
First question, are you limiting Skill Unlocks to the Unchained Rogue class feature / Signature Skill feat or are you letting anyone use them? I personally would prefer you used the first option, but I am totally biased (since I'm taking Unchained Rogue) and also don't want to waste a class feature... Signature Skill feat
As far as the poisons go, there is actually an Alchemist discovery from the Faiths of Purity book that lets you make poisons that affect undead and evil outsiders despite their inherent immunity. Celestial Poisons discovery
Oddly, they didn't make a reverse one in the Champions of Corruption book. You'd think some Norgorber loving alchemist would have figured that one out...
They did, but Norgorber is the god of secrets...
Chaïa's gentler than Korina seems to be, but I think she might rather like the cut of Korina's jib. I can imagine the two of them driving a long-suffering paladin slowly bonkers.That sounds completely insane.
...I like it.
Nah, I got his back, mainly by leaving him stinking drunk when you two are getting to be too much.
Let me put it this way - Korina's the type who takes contrary positions just because she can, but usually tries to make people better when she's doing that.
Long-term presence around her may do interesting things to rigid moral codes...
Sounds scarily like me, minus the having been tortured and the fact that kind of thought is me just thinking aloud.
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Let me put it this way - Korina's the type who takes contrary positions just because she can, but usually tries to make people better when she's doing that.
For example, if a Paladin was about to kill some cultists, she might be all "You know, I think sending evil souls to the Abyss actually creates more demons - and they'd have a reason to come out of the Worldwound, join the armies, and come back to fight us again. From an absolutist perspective, wouldn't killing them help evil, thus morally obligating us to make them immortal until we can convince them to change their ways? I mean, it would be awful if the demons created by cultists you killed burned down a village of innocents, and that's not even getting into what happens to your powers if you knowingly and intentionally do something you expect to aid evil and harm good..."
Long-term presence around her may do interesting things to rigid moral codes...
"Ah, but the lines of souls waiting to enter Pharasma's presence for Judgement are long and it will be quite some time before they are sent to their proper reward. And, according to the studies of Severinus the Sage, a soul has to spend at least two score years being tortured and remade in hell's image before it is even ready to become a lowly Lemure! And it has to spend many more years before it will rise in the hierarchy enough to become a real threat. We shall find a way to seal this breach and destroy the demons before any of these unrepentant curs find their way back here!"
It should be very tough to try and debate with a paladin that is also a bard... ;)
Let me put it this way - Korina's the type who takes contrary positions just because she can, but usually tries to make people better when she's doing that.
For example, if a Paladin was about to kill some cultists, she might be all "You know, I think sending evil souls to the Abyss actually creates more demons - and they'd have a reason to come out of the Worldwound, join the armies, and come back to fight us again. From an absolutist perspective, wouldn't killing them help evil, thus morally obligating us to make them immortal until we can convince them to change their ways? I mean, it would be awful if the demons created by cultists you killed burned down a village of innocents, and that's not even getting into what happens to your powers if you knowingly and intentionally do something you expect to aid evil and harm good..."
Long-term presence around her may do interesting things to rigid moral codes...
"Ah, but the lines of souls waiting to enter Pharasma's presence for Judgement are long and it will be quite some time before they are sent to their proper reward. And, according to the studies of Severinus the Sage, a soul has to spend at least two score years being tortured and remade in hell's image before it is even ready to become a lowly Lemure! And it has to spend many more years before it will rise in the hierarchy enough to become a real threat. We shall find a way to seal this breach and destroy the demons before any of these unrepentant curs find their way back here!"
It should be very tough to try and debate with a paladin that is also a bard... ;)
sneakily passes you a flagon of alcohol Just in case. wink
Oh man, Paladin + Bard = SO MANY PARTY BUFFS!
Ugh... I love gestalt too much. There are so many combinations I want to play...
Brawler//Warpriest
Monk (Martial Artist)//Barbarian
Bloodrager//Ninja
Unchained Monk//Empyreal Bloodline Sorcerer
Swashbuckler//Bard
Gunslinger//Witch (1 level dip into Wizard for Spellslinger)
Arcane Duelist Bard//Gladiator Fighter
Swashbuckler//Magus
And I still haven't managed to break into a single gestalt campaign... -sigh-
Oh man, Paladin + Bard = SO MANY PARTY BUFFS!
Ugh... I love gestalt too much. There are so many combinations I want to play...
Brawler//Warpriest
Monk (Martial Artist)//Barbarian
Bloodrager//Ninja
Unchained Monk//Empyreal Bloodline Sorcerer
Swashbuckler//Bard
Gunslinger//Witch (1 level dip into Wizard for Spellslinger)
Arcane Duelist Bard//Gladiator Fighter
Swashbuckler//MagusAnd I still haven't managed to break into a single gestalt campaign... -sigh-
pats your back Rough deal there pal. Hope you have better luck here.
"Ah, but the lines of souls waiting to enter Pharasma's presence for Judgement are long and it will be quite some time before they are sent to their proper reward. And, according to the studies of Severinus the Sage, a soul has to spend at least two score years being tortured and remade in hell's image before it is even ready to become a lowly Lemure! And it has to spend many more years before it will rise in the hierarchy enough to become a real threat. We shall find a way to seal this breach and destroy the demons before any of these unrepentant curs find their way back here!"
It should be very tough to try and debate with a paladin that is also a bard... ;)
"What is your point? The devils of Hell may have plans for raising their own, but we are not fighting devils - the Worldwound is connected to the Abyss and the demons that inhabit it, and while I'm sure your righteousness would like to paint them all with the same brush, the simple truth is that demons and devils are very different. Surely your training is not so incomplete that you do not know this? Confusing one for the other could be fatal, and I am strongly reluctant to place any faith in one who doesn't care enough to understand their enemy..."
"What is your point? The devils of Hell may have plans for raising their own, but we are not fighting devils - the Worldwound is connected to the Abyss and the demons that inhabit it, and while I'm sure your righteousness would like to paint them all with the same brush, the simple truth is that demons and devils are very different. Surely your training is not so incomplete that you do not know this? Confusing one for the other could be fatal, and I am strongly reluctant to place any faith in one who doesn't care enough to understand their enemy..."
"They call you mad, but I see lonely. They call you crazy, and I see wild. They call you frightening and I see wonder. They call you monster, I see a child." - Wren's journal, On Korina.
"We have common cause, little sister. There is more to the Wound in the World than Evil, and if we are to heal it, we must look beyond the simple answers. There is beauty there, if we have eyes to see it. Walk with me?"
I do know one thing, Korina and Korak would have to watch out for me trying to sneak a sample for scientific research...
*gets swab and pipette ready*
Oh, I don't know. The end result would probably be "result unclear". And then the petri dish would grow a mouth and try to bite you.
As for fighting evil, though, Korina actually does want to. XD Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth - the only members of that pantheon she worships - are both Chaotic Neutral. As in, emphatically not evil. They don't care for mortal morality, and they generally don't even notice what's going on. People who twist that into "DESTROY EVERYTHING FOR THE OUTER GODS!" annoy her. XD
I do know one thing, Korina and Korak would have to watch out for me trying to sneak a sample for scientific research...
*gets swab and pipette ready*
Touch my casks without permission and I'll leave you drunk and naked in an alley. Try asking instead.
Also, would it be horribly broken if I attached Variant multiclassing to the brew master even though he doesn't get feats at those levels?
He doesn't? I was under the impression that VMC worked on your normal levelup feats - as in, the usual ones you get every other level.
Let me check something here. I didn't think those feats came that often.
Whoops, you're quite right. And apparently I still have a feat to spend.
He doesn't? I was under the impression that VMC worked on your normal levelup feats - as in, the usual ones you get every other level.
Yeah, VMC works on your normal advancement feats (levels 3,7,11,15 and 19 specifically), so you can't attach it to one side of your gestalt or something like that. You just don't get feats at those levels. And you can't opt out of it either. Some VMC's are definitely better than others... Some are downright terrible.
Oh, I don't know. The end result would probably be "result unclear". And then the petri dish would grow a mouth and try to bite you.
Sounds like a great advancement in the field of crackpot science to me.
Touch my casks without permission and I'll leave you drunk and naked in an alley. Try asking instead.I do know one thing, Korina and Korak would have to watch out for me trying to sneak a sample for scientific research...
*gets swab and pipette ready*
Sooooo... win/win?
Sooooo... win/win?Touch my casks without permission and I'll leave you drunk and naked in an alley. Try asking instead.I do know one thing, Korina and Korak would have to watch out for me trying to sneak a sample for scientific research...
*gets swab and pipette ready*
Depends on what alley I leave you in and how drunk you are. I'm sure you wouldn't want rats nibbling at your bits
Yeah, VMC works on your normal advancement feats (levels 3,7,11,15 and 19 specifically), so you can't attach it to one side of your gestalt or something like that. You just don't get feats at those levels. And you can't opt out of it either. Some VMC's are definitely better than others... Some are downright terrible.
I look at it as VMC's are very, very build-dependent. For most people they aren't worth the feats. But when you get the right setup and it adds the exact part you need, it's pretty cool.
I look at VMC as a wonderful thing to have when your planning to prestige, need that sneak attack damage? No problem. Not to mention it can be used to give wizards some spontaneity in their casting. Alright, just to f@~! with people, List of things I can potentially pull off
grant anyone within 20/10/5 feet the ability to spit on their weapons and add either the flaming, frost, or corrosive weapon abilities, and fast healing 1
Or fast healing 1 and an area of haste, or an increase in movement speed, and that is a particular sugar that releases massive alcoholic fumes and is just a concept, to a degree I can mix and match some wonderful effects to the point that I could
*buff the party
*hamper the enemy
*heal
*too many ideas swirling in my head to be written down
I am submitting Davin as a PC.
Davin was ready to accept his face, but fate had something else in mind. While sleeping in the top of a tree, he was shaken awake by a beautiful young woman. Before he could speak a word, she covered his mouth with her hand. Only then did Davin notice the creature flying nearby. She lead him down into the wilderness. He was amazed that she helped him, never knowing his name, never asking for anything in return. Two nights later, as the Halfling and the woman camped, he was awoken again, this time by the sounds of horses. Looking around the camp, he noticed the woman was gone, as though he had dreamed her up. The horsemen, the crusaders, who found the camp brought the Halfling back to Kenabres.
That turned Davin's life around. He could no longer take from others as he had through his youth. He spent some time getting his life together. Once he had a stable footing under himself, Davin spent the rest of his life helping others as the woman helped him. He was mesmerized by the woman's skill with the bow, but he never had the skill. He instead trained with a crossbow. Once he felt sufficient in his skill, he traveled the wilderness, leading refugees to Kenabres.
Davin's character sheet is in the profile.
Please let me know if there is anything we missed.
Shi'Vatha, which in the Celestial tongue means 'Seeker of Evil', Warden Archon of the 7th Tome Zaphkiel was never a very good Warden Archon. Or rather, he was a very good Warden, and little escaped his notice.
But he was not stoic and stone faced like the other Warden Archons. He enjoyed listening to stories, he smiled at things the others found no more important than a stray breeze.
So when Iomadae came seeking an entity willing to form a bond with one of her chosen Paladins, not as a spirit companion, nor even an animal companion, but as a lowly summoned creature of little power, Shi'Vatha thought for only a few minutes before grinning at the god and stepping forward.
Iomadae was not sure of this choice, but it would be dishonorable to turn down one who had volunteered to give up so much. And so Shi'Vatha gave up the power he had and bonded to Casarina Methaila, a valiant Aasimar Summoner Paladin of Iomadae.
Shi'Vatha was not as strong as most eidelon's, due to his summoner's primary path being that of a Paladin, however, he was an excellent scout, his small feline form allowing him to sneak through places Casarina could not and ferret out information for her.
The two were quite the well known pair in the Church of Iomadae, and got many of the most dangerous assignments. They were especially well known for tracking down dangerous demons and destroying them, wherever they might be hiding (or hiden!). However, they were also very good at investigating mysteries as well.
It was on one such assignment that the team met a horrible ending of their pact. Casarina had been tasked with investigating the sudden betrayal by a priest of his flock, and subsequent sacrificing of many of them to some unknown entity.
The pair did as they normally did, Shi'Vatha scouting ahead (although close enough not to lose his life force from being too far separated from his partner), and Casarina dispatching foes with the occasional assistance from Shi'Vatha. Unfortunately, they fell into a trap devised by those who had turned the priest. The two were captured, brought into the Worldwound, and taken to an evil cave where blood was spilled in a horrifying magical rite. Casarina's mind was broken with fell magic, and her former good and right nature turned to chaos and evil. Casarina awakened and began to walk the path of an anti-paladin summoner.
The ritual did not go as expected though, for it had not been performed on someone who was both a Paladin and Summoner before. Casarina's tie to Shi'Vatha was rent assunder, both gaining a burning rune on their forehead as the bond was rent. Casarina could not summon a new eidelon, and Shi'Vatha could not return to his home.
Casarina was afraid to kill her former ally, for fear her ability to summon, or use summoner magic, would also be destroyed permanently. So she locked the catlike eidelon in a steel cage and tortured it when bored.
After several months of such treatment, amazingly, Shi'Vatha's shattered mind began to reform, the madness induced by the destruction of his bond receding, and his original good and upright nature returning. Finding himself suddenly able to control his own evolution, he waited for Casarina to depart on a murder spree, and evolved an upper torso, turning himself into a taur. Using his newfound hands and skills, he used a bent nail from the wooden floor of his cell to pick the lock and flee back to the church to tell them what had happened.
He still would likely not have made it home without the assistance of a mysterious stranger who not only lead him out of the Worldwound, but also gifted him with a bow, her favored weapon.
The church of Iomadae is nothing if not loyal, and Shi had shown such loyalty as few have for the church. However, his manners and mannerisms were not... exactly what they expected of either a paladin or a paladin's creature. And his newfound (and understandable) attitude of Antipathy toward Paladins was also something of an embarrassment.
So while the church is still very friendly toward Shi, and accords him a priest of Iomadae, he is usually sent by the Church to work with other groups and churches, which they've found often works out better, as Shi's personality tends to not rub people raw like most of Iomadae's priests. Shi has recently been reassigned to the area of the Worldwound, in an attempt to find out more about the parties that corrupted his summoner.
I went ahead and used the eidelon stats as racial mods, since the GM appears to be busy, and I don't want to miss the chance to submit. I can rework if needed.
Also, can change the church he's associated with, if need be, as long as they have Paladins.